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hello and welcome to the show i'm martin

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willis your host and we have another

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great one lined up for you this evening

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we have a david marceau he

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was in the army reserves back in 1992 he

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had quite a ufo sighting

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and he was featured on the history

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channels unidentified

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you would see him in one of the episodes

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uh speaking with lou el zondo

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about his whole experience and uh we're

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really uh really glad that he was able

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to come to the show i want to say a

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little quick shout out to gregory who uh

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suggested him and uh gave me a couple of

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good questions so i want to talk quickly

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about next week next week um i was

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supposed to be out in

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arizona and phoenix to help out with the

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international ufo congress my good

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friend alejandro out there and karen

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brierd

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we're we're going to go out there but

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that is virtual now so

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but first i was gonna land with a friend

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in uh albuquerque and go to dave

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marlar's house

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and two um iconic people

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were flying there as well so we could do

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a show together well they're still going

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there and those icons are

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barry greenwood and jan aldrich so with

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dave marlar we will have them on the

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show through stream yard as i do every

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week

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right here so you don't want to miss

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that show um both barry and jen have

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been around the ufo topic for

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uh dozens

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and dozens of years and they have really

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good uh historical insight so that would

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be really great to have them our blog

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this week from charles lear is ufos

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over tucson arizona with a question mark

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and that is uh that was a sighting that

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was just this last may it could have

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been a drone there's some controversy in

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that but uh but charles goes right into

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that he dove deep in and so i also i

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just want to say something i'm going to

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to pine bush i hope

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i hope that if you plan to go there you

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say hi to me i'm the guy that looks like

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this so i'm not going to be wearing any

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i don't think i'm going to be wearing

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like any alien head or ufo hat or

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anything like that so but please uh if

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you happen to see me walking around i

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might be hanging out at the kgra radio

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table if they have one i'll be hanging

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out with bill a lot

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and uh with my good friend donna and so

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i also want to say up um and meeting up

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of course with great friends like mark

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d'antonio lee spiegel and uh it'll be a

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lot of fun

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uh just one quick little thing i do get

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a lot of emails there are a lot of new

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listeners and i i do uh thank you for

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listening to the show uh anyone and all

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people for listening and but and

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sometimes i don't explain things

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too often when i'm getting into a case

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and i got to get better at that i was

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kind of reminded of that last week a

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little bit

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um

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if you are planning on sending me an

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email i i get probably i don't know

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several a day um you know on the ufo

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topic

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i just i think i may have like add or

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something because uh i have separation

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anxiety with my a d and d because i have

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a really hard time reading these four

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and five and six and eight page emails

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so and i'm not picking anyone that goes

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through all the trouble and sends me all

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this information i really do appreciate

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it but i can take emails in small pieces

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and that's a good way to start so if

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you'd like to uh send me an email about

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anything uh regarding ufo topic i'm i'm

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always there to listen

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and we do have by the way we do have an

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anonymous site if you'd like to post

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your sightings uh go to podcastufo.com

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and there's a form you can fill out

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anonymously for a sighting and there's

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also a place to put in pictures and you

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can put your name in there if you'd like

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to and contact information if you'd like

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to but if you choose not to

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you don't have to and i always do

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suggest and it's right there on the site

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as well you know you can contact and

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make a report to newfound

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mufon that is or

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new fork any of those reporting sites uh

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just as well if you want to get it

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researched but if you just want to get

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your like get it off your chest and talk

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to someone about it um there is some

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interaction from some of those if people

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want to choose to interact so you're

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welcome to go to

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podcastufo.com and just look for ufo

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sightings and there's a little drop down

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menu for that

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and i do appreciate everyone that helps

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out with this show

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and anyone can do that for two dollars

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or more a month and that's also on my

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website i think that's enough of me

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talking for now and i'm going to bring

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in our guest for the evening david

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welcome to the show

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thanks martin glad to be here

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yes david um i uh i appreciate your

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story i i've listened to it a little bit

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and it's pretty astounding kind of

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changed your life you know i talk about

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this sometimes that

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some people

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it affects everybody in a different way

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that's the best way to put it

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and how someone deals with it and i

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understand that you had

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um you know there was someone that

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witnesses with you that sort of stepped

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away from talking about it but finally

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came back but instead of going into that

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right now let's talk about who you are

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and uh what happened and the whole the

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whole detail of the situation

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where do you want me to start uh you

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know right now uh i'm uh

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a dad and a small business owner live in

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ridgefield connecticut

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um originally from upstate new york

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northern new york

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and uh that's where i was when

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what's where i was living when at the

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time of my sighting uh i was in

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plattsburgh new york uh and um going to

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and in the army reserves um you know

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weekends and summer

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got uh sent up to canada for our summer

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maybe 20 minutes from plattsburgh but we

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on the advanced party took all the

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trucks up and set up everything for

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everyone else uh you know to so things

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would be ready when they got there

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and uh about a two-day drive

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uh made friends with a guy in my unit

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that i hadn't known before because i was

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our own building we uh you know kind of

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did our own thing didn't really hang out

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with the rest of the unit too much and

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so uh there was a guy in another platoon

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he was he was he went to my college i

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didn't know him from school but

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enlisted men uh who have been to college

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kind of buddy up together and the ones

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that didn't go to school uh kind of you

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better than them so they they kind of

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shun us uh to some extent so uh me and

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mike hit it off and um

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the uh the next week when everyone else

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we our mission started and and we were

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an ammo unit and uh even though i wasn't

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really part of uh

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they called those guys ammo humpers they

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the guys that would move the ammunition

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we all had to pull guard duty

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tuesday night i want to say uh of that

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second week which was the first week for

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um mike and i just happened to get

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assigned to the same guard duty and we

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went out at 11 o'clock he was on we had

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three sites we called them pads

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and he was on pad number one i was on

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yeah mike mike saw a little piece of it

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on he didn't you didn't really see the

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whole thing that that i saw the thing

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was like right there in front of me and

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hung out for quite a while

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and uh just just so i i'm gonna pull up

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the image that you provided of it you

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had this rendition

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um created for you did you or did you do

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this yourself yeah no yeah my

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brother-in-law did that for me just from

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um you know from me describing it to him

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he wasn't even alive at the time of the

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uh the sighting so i think he did a

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really good job there's you know it's

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not perfect uh the the nose and the tail

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uh are a little flatter than than the

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image shows uh you know slightly more

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angular than the the images is kind of

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streamlined and and the real thing was a

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little bit more angular but it's it's

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pretty close you know for

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just me describing it

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yeah that looks like yeah an art deco

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model

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yeah thing one thing i don't like about

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it it's a little bit too streamlined

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like like uh like these look like the

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trains yeah yeah yeah um and so this

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how

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appeared and all that

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yeah one second it wasn't there the next

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it was and and in between um

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i had a feeling like someone was

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watching me

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and uh you know if uh if you're a parent

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with kids you've probably woken up in

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the middle of the night with your your

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kids standing an inch away from your

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um

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you know for me it felt like uh one day

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i stayed home sick from school when i

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was a kid and uh uh my sister came home

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from school i never heard her come in

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the house i just woke up because i could

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feel her standing in the doorway looking

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at me uh she was really angry that i i

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got to stay home from school that day

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and i opened my eyes and she said faker

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um was it like did she watch ferris

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bueller's day off or something yeah it

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was before that but um yeah i just like

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i woke up because i could feel someone

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watching me and and this was something

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similar i was sitting there you know i'm

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scanning the woods i'm trying to like

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look for for bad guys that might come

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and try to steal the ammunition which

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was a distinct possibility it had

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happened before

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so um

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you know i i just get this feeling like

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like

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i need to be looking up at the at the

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one o'clock position

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and uh

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something told me that something was up

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there

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uh but then i thought maybe it's a

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distraction

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uh before i go you know i i think i'm

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going to be looking that way for a long

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time

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before i do let me just check over my

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left shoulder make sure no one's behind

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me sneaking up on me i took a quick look

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over my shoulder no one was there i

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noticed the hair in the back of my neck

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is standing up

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and then i i looked down and i could see

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all of the arm hair on my right arm was

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standing up which was unusual because it

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was um you know this is a

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late summer night in canada

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it was chilly and we had our our sleeves

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rolled up on our uniforms

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um

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and so all the hair on my arm had been

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lying flat

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to

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and and i noticed it was standing

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straight up

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and then i i look up and there's just

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this enormous spaceship um up at the one

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o'clock position

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and when you say enormous you mean large

329
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i mean

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uh according to something i read you

331
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think it might have been like an acre

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which would be my footage i don't know

333
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exactly how many feet that would be but

334
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it's like 200 something like i think

335
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maybe about 220.

336
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that's that's how big the clearing was

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that we were in there it was a one acre

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and the this thing was uh longer than

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than the the space that i was in

340
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and what about what about noise

341
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none

342
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not not even from the uh the nighttime

343
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creatures around me

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so uh at the time

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um i don't think i noticed right away

346
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but afterwards when i thought back about

347
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it i thought maybe maybe they knew

348
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something maybe the crickets and the

349
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tree frogs and everything else out there

350
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knew something was up

351
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but

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more recently i've come up with a um

353
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what i think is a more plausible

354
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uh theory

355
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i i think the thing had some kind of

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noise cancellation technology

357
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and

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which then begs the question you know

359
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everyone says ufos are silent maybe

360
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they're not maybe they just have really

361
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good technology that dampens the sound

362
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because i didn't hear anything not even

363
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you know the the crickets and stuff

364
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you know that's uh it's it's funny you

365
00:14:03,110 --> 00:14:00,639
mentioned i never thought of that theory

366
00:14:05,030 --> 00:14:03,120
myself but many people

367
00:14:06,470 --> 00:14:05,040
describe exactly what you're saying as a

368
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matter of fact i had someone just a

369
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couple weeks ago

370
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that um saw a tic-tac-shaped object very

371
00:14:17,030 --> 00:14:13,839
much like what david fravor

372
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um you know discusses that he saw

373
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and uh everything went quiet and this is

374
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in florida where everything is really

375
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noisy you know insects and everything

376
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and so you actually noticed that as well

377
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like all the nature sounds were quiet

378
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yeah and you know before we were on uh

379
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the air we were talking a little bit

380
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about tom reed and when i first met him

381
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he said the same thing and and that's

382
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that's right that's where where he and i

383
00:14:42,310 --> 00:14:40,320
clicked because i was like well maybe

384
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this guy maybe this guy's telling the

385
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truth because the same thing happened to

386
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me

387
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yeah and that was um

388
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tomorrow's the anniversary of that

389
00:14:52,790 --> 00:14:50,320
september 1st

390
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that happened what 49 years ago whenever

391
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i mean

392
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well no it was 69 52 years ago right

393
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it was uh before i was born i think yeah

394
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but anyway uh so but according to tom

395
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reed as far as i remember he talks about

396
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it was almost like they were under water

397
00:15:12,310 --> 00:15:10,000
you know it felt like they were

398
00:15:14,150 --> 00:15:12,320
underwater that type of quiet you know

399
00:15:16,069 --> 00:15:14,160
is that is that kind of

400
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similar do you think i i don't know if i

401
00:15:19,430 --> 00:15:18,399
would say that uh it was just

402
00:15:23,110 --> 00:15:19,440
like

403
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everything was just completely silent

404
00:15:28,790 --> 00:15:25,600
like everything but then um if if you've

405
00:15:30,629 --> 00:15:28,800
seen my uh appearance on unidentified

406
00:15:33,030 --> 00:15:30,639
they they cut to

407
00:15:34,949 --> 00:15:33,040
me saying there was a static noise

408
00:15:37,509 --> 00:15:34,959
and that that's kind of that's

409
00:15:40,550 --> 00:15:37,519
a jump cut uh

410
00:15:42,870 --> 00:15:40,560
there was a static noise eventually uh

411
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after the the ship had

412
00:15:48,389 --> 00:15:46,079
you know gone a a distance away from me

413
00:15:49,910 --> 00:15:48,399
and what i think that was now

414
00:15:51,350 --> 00:15:49,920
is um

415
00:15:54,470 --> 00:15:51,360
that

416
00:15:55,990 --> 00:15:54,480
it was it's its sphere of uh you know

417
00:15:57,030 --> 00:15:56,000
noise uh

418
00:15:59,350 --> 00:15:57,040
uh

419
00:16:01,030 --> 00:15:59,360
cancellation was getting

420
00:16:03,189 --> 00:16:01,040
away from me and all the sounds were

421
00:16:05,670 --> 00:16:03,199
coming back

422
00:16:08,710 --> 00:16:05,680
um now this question was submitted by uh

423
00:16:09,749 --> 00:16:08,720
gregory gregory who connected me uh with

424
00:16:17,990 --> 00:16:09,759
you

425
00:16:20,069 --> 00:16:18,000
or the sky behind it that might suggest

426
00:16:22,629 --> 00:16:20,079
that there was an ice that it was

427
00:16:25,030 --> 00:16:22,639
isolated from its surroundings within

428
00:16:27,269 --> 00:16:25,040
some type of energy field

429
00:16:30,470 --> 00:16:27,279
no everything everything seemed very

430
00:16:33,350 --> 00:16:30,480
conventional uh to me i saw this

431
00:16:36,389 --> 00:16:33,360
spaceship uh right in front of me the

432
00:16:38,870 --> 00:16:36,399
moon was behind it i could it was like a

433
00:16:40,790 --> 00:16:38,880
full moon or very close to full i could

434
00:16:43,590 --> 00:16:40,800
see the moon clearly and because it was

435
00:16:46,230 --> 00:16:43,600
so bright it lit up the whole ship so

436
00:16:48,230 --> 00:16:46,240
um you know the the the ship was

437
00:16:50,710 --> 00:16:48,240
similar to the color of the night sky it

438
00:16:52,550 --> 00:16:50,720
was like a like a dull gray

439
00:16:54,710 --> 00:16:52,560
uh but with the the bright moonlight i

440
00:16:57,910 --> 00:16:54,720
could see it clearly i could see the the

441
00:16:59,590 --> 00:16:57,920
the trees uh around me um you know it

442
00:17:02,069 --> 00:16:59,600
was it was almost like daylight it was

443
00:17:03,110 --> 00:17:02,079
so bright out and i didn't notice any

444
00:17:05,189 --> 00:17:03,120
kind of

445
00:17:07,829 --> 00:17:05,199
distortion if there was i didn't see it

446
00:17:11,029 --> 00:17:07,839
now going back to the windows

447
00:17:14,870 --> 00:17:11,039
um this depiction shows like a divided

448
00:17:17,029 --> 00:17:14,880
window possibly um is that is that more

449
00:17:19,590 --> 00:17:17,039
or less similar to what you actually saw

450
00:17:22,069 --> 00:17:19,600
it's very similar so uh the the windows

451
00:17:24,390 --> 00:17:22,079
are not as long in the picture as as

452
00:17:28,069 --> 00:17:24,400
they were there were three of them they

453
00:17:33,750 --> 00:17:28,079
were all uh the same uh shape and size

454
00:17:34,710 --> 00:17:33,760
rectangular uh in in a horizontal uh uh

455
00:17:37,590 --> 00:17:34,720
setting

456
00:17:39,669 --> 00:17:37,600
and uh i i think it covered about 120

457
00:17:42,789 --> 00:17:39,679
degree arc across the front of the thing

458
00:17:44,390 --> 00:17:42,799
the the ship is uh not quite as round as

459
00:17:45,750 --> 00:17:44,400
as what it may appear in the image it

460
00:17:47,270 --> 00:17:45,760
was a little more

461
00:17:49,590 --> 00:17:47,280
i've always said it it's kind of like a

462
00:17:52,310 --> 00:17:49,600
rectangle with the corners cut off but

463
00:17:55,029 --> 00:17:52,320
also a little bit like a flattened egg

464
00:17:56,630 --> 00:17:55,039
now was this oh excuse me was this

465
00:17:58,950 --> 00:17:56,640
traveling in the direction of the

466
00:18:01,669 --> 00:17:58,960
windows forward yes yes

467
00:18:04,549 --> 00:18:01,679
and and the the windows didn't actually

468
00:18:07,270 --> 00:18:04,559
shine like like it's depicted in in the

469
00:18:10,310 --> 00:18:07,280
image the the light and it was a very

470
00:18:12,070 --> 00:18:10,320
very intense bright light but they

471
00:18:14,549 --> 00:18:12,080
didn't shine like headlights the light

472
00:18:15,350 --> 00:18:14,559
just stopped at the at the front of this

473
00:18:17,110 --> 00:18:15,360
thing

474
00:18:18,470 --> 00:18:17,120
you know that's funny you say that too

475
00:18:20,710 --> 00:18:18,480
because that's another thing a lot of

476
00:18:23,270 --> 00:18:20,720
people will say about

477
00:18:24,630 --> 00:18:23,280
they'll talk about the light from a ufo

478
00:18:26,549 --> 00:18:24,640
and they'll say

479
00:18:28,789 --> 00:18:26,559
it didn't behave like

480
00:18:30,950 --> 00:18:28,799
a normal light yeah and this goes all

481
00:18:31,990 --> 00:18:30,960
the way back i mean you can even listen

482
00:18:33,510 --> 00:18:32,000
to

483
00:18:36,789 --> 00:18:33,520
uh

484
00:18:39,430 --> 00:18:36,799
commander halt charles hall talk about

485
00:18:42,310 --> 00:18:39,440
the ra beam that came down to him back

486
00:18:44,150 --> 00:18:42,320
in 1980 at rendelsham forest incident

487
00:18:46,950 --> 00:18:44,160
for those new listeners that's another

488
00:18:48,710 --> 00:18:46,960
one to uh citing to check out another

489
00:18:50,789 --> 00:18:48,720
military sighting

490
00:18:53,830 --> 00:18:50,799
where this beam came down but he said it

491
00:18:56,870 --> 00:18:53,840
wasn't like a normal light and and over

492
00:18:59,110 --> 00:18:56,880
and over and over again you hear that

493
00:19:01,669 --> 00:18:59,120
whatever the light is it doesn't behave

494
00:19:02,470 --> 00:19:01,679
like a normal beam of light or or normal

495
00:19:05,110 --> 00:19:02,480
light

496
00:19:07,510 --> 00:19:05,120
yeah when i first started my blog

497
00:19:09,190 --> 00:19:07,520
i didn't talk about the ship much at

498
00:19:10,630 --> 00:19:09,200
first and when i finally did start

499
00:19:12,549 --> 00:19:10,640
writing about it

500
00:19:14,549 --> 00:19:12,559
i think the first thing i wrote was

501
00:19:17,830 --> 00:19:14,559
about the lights because it was just so

502
00:19:20,150 --> 00:19:17,840
unusual and i i've described it as a

503
00:19:21,110 --> 00:19:20,160
five-sided cube

504
00:19:24,230 --> 00:19:21,120
where

505
00:19:26,870 --> 00:19:24,240
it it just stops at the one one side it

506
00:19:28,789 --> 00:19:26,880
doesn't shine

507
00:19:32,390 --> 00:19:28,799
that's bizarre now did you see any

508
00:19:34,230 --> 00:19:32,400
distort distortion in the light itself

509
00:19:35,669 --> 00:19:34,240
you know or now i'm going to ask you a

510
00:19:37,270 --> 00:19:35,679
really weird question

511
00:19:40,150 --> 00:19:37,280
did you see anything that could have

512
00:19:41,590 --> 00:19:40,160
been movement like be like a living

513
00:19:44,710 --> 00:19:41,600
being inside

514
00:19:46,070 --> 00:19:44,720
no no i couldn't see anything inside and

515
00:19:48,870 --> 00:19:46,080
um

516
00:19:51,270 --> 00:19:48,880
i i had a like a really good long look

517
00:19:53,590 --> 00:19:51,280
at it uh if there was anyone in there

518
00:19:55,590 --> 00:19:53,600
and you know and i assumed for for

519
00:19:58,390 --> 00:19:55,600
decades that there were some kind of

520
00:19:59,909 --> 00:19:58,400
people in there um you know this hap

521
00:20:01,669 --> 00:19:59,919
this was way before

522
00:20:03,110 --> 00:20:01,679
drone technology

523
00:20:04,630 --> 00:20:03,120
so

524
00:20:05,909 --> 00:20:04,640
it never occurred to me that this thing

525
00:20:07,830 --> 00:20:05,919
could be

526
00:20:10,149 --> 00:20:07,840
either remote controlled or even you

527
00:20:13,270 --> 00:20:10,159
know some kind of autonomous uh you know

528
00:20:14,470 --> 00:20:13,280
ai uh of some type uh i just assumed

529
00:20:17,029 --> 00:20:14,480
there were people inside but i couldn't

530
00:20:19,430 --> 00:20:17,039
see anything in there yeah i mean well

531
00:20:20,470 --> 00:20:19,440
then you would have to say okay if this

532
00:20:22,149 --> 00:20:20,480
was

533
00:20:23,750 --> 00:20:22,159
like a drone or something like that why

534
00:20:24,950 --> 00:20:23,760
would it need windows you wouldn't

535
00:20:26,710 --> 00:20:24,960
really need

536
00:20:28,230 --> 00:20:26,720
you know windows are for observation as

537
00:20:30,470 --> 00:20:28,240
far as i know yeah it wouldn't need

538
00:20:31,270 --> 00:20:30,480
windows or headlights um but there they

539
00:20:34,470 --> 00:20:31,280
were

540
00:20:36,789 --> 00:20:34,480
yeah yeah so uh i want to talk quickly

541
00:20:38,310 --> 00:20:36,799
about the reaction you said that your

542
00:20:40,710 --> 00:20:38,320
the co-witness

543
00:20:43,590 --> 00:20:40,720
um saw the tail end of it can you

544
00:20:46,630 --> 00:20:43,600
explain how that all happened so so he

545
00:20:47,990 --> 00:20:46,640
he says that and and i didn't know this

546
00:20:50,149 --> 00:20:48,000
at the time i thought he saw the same

547
00:20:51,990 --> 00:20:50,159
thing i did it was only when we finally

548
00:20:55,190 --> 00:20:52,000
reconnected a few years ago for

549
00:20:57,029 --> 00:20:55,200
unidentified uh that we we had a really

550
00:20:59,830 --> 00:20:57,039
good long talk about it

551
00:21:03,909 --> 00:20:59,840
um because after this initially happened

552
00:21:06,149 --> 00:21:03,919
uh we were you know ridiculed and and uh

553
00:21:07,909 --> 00:21:06,159
he he actually recanted the story not

554
00:21:10,630 --> 00:21:07,919
long afterwards because he couldn't take

555
00:21:12,070 --> 00:21:10,640
the uh uh wow i guess the the shame or

556
00:21:14,070 --> 00:21:12,080
you know the

557
00:21:16,789 --> 00:21:14,080
the um

558
00:21:18,230 --> 00:21:16,799
the ridicule so um

559
00:21:21,510 --> 00:21:18,240
i had always assumed that he saw the

560
00:21:23,110 --> 00:21:21,520
same thing uh but when we we finally had

561
00:21:25,029 --> 00:21:23,120
a real good long talk about it a few

562
00:21:27,750 --> 00:21:25,039
years ago uh

563
00:21:30,470 --> 00:21:27,760
he said that he just saw the light

564
00:21:32,789 --> 00:21:30,480
and uh that's what

565
00:21:35,350 --> 00:21:32,799
really bugged him out because he thought

566
00:21:38,310 --> 00:21:35,360
someone had shot a flare up into the air

567
00:21:41,669 --> 00:21:38,320
and um you know military flare

568
00:21:43,430 --> 00:21:41,679
goes up and uh a parachute pops out

569
00:21:45,830 --> 00:21:43,440
and then it kind of hangs there and very

570
00:21:47,510 --> 00:21:45,840
slowly glides down to the ground well if

571
00:21:50,789 --> 00:21:47,520
you're guarding

572
00:21:53,669 --> 00:21:50,799
you know tons and tons literally tons of

573
00:21:55,830 --> 00:21:53,679
ammunition and explosives you don't want

574
00:21:59,190 --> 00:21:55,840
a fiery

575
00:22:01,190 --> 00:21:59,200
object floating down to i mean they

576
00:22:02,789 --> 00:22:01,200
they put these these pads uh i don't

577
00:22:03,990 --> 00:22:02,799
know a quarter mile half a mile apart

578
00:22:05,430 --> 00:22:04,000
from each other

579
00:22:07,590 --> 00:22:05,440
uh

580
00:22:09,590 --> 00:22:07,600
just in case one of them explodes

581
00:22:12,549 --> 00:22:09,600
you don't want it all of your ammo going

582
00:22:14,630 --> 00:22:12,559
up in in flames so he was he was bugged

583
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:14,640
out about this bright light up there and

584
00:22:18,950 --> 00:22:17,520
he watched it for a long time and uh

585
00:22:21,270 --> 00:22:18,960
initially thought it was a flare but

586
00:22:24,789 --> 00:22:21,280
then it never fell

587
00:22:27,830 --> 00:22:24,799
so uh he didn't know what to make of it

588
00:22:30,789 --> 00:22:27,840
oh so he never actually saw the craft

589
00:22:33,590 --> 00:22:30,799
like you saw of the whole video

590
00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:33,600
yeah and at the time i thought he did

591
00:22:38,230 --> 00:22:35,760
uh but he only saw part of the the light

592
00:22:40,470 --> 00:22:38,240
that was up front kind of like

593
00:22:42,310 --> 00:22:40,480
coming around the side of it is that

594
00:22:44,710 --> 00:22:42,320
frustrating to you

595
00:22:47,190 --> 00:22:44,720
that you're the lone witness

596
00:22:50,710 --> 00:22:47,200
no because you know i i know what i saw

597
00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:50,720
and uh and mike was there and and he may

598
00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:52,799
not have seen everything that i saw but

599
00:22:58,710 --> 00:22:55,760
he saw part of it so you know i feel

600
00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:58,720
like i have some corroboration

601
00:23:02,310 --> 00:23:00,720
um now what about

602
00:23:06,390 --> 00:23:02,320
other guards

603
00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:06,400
near other parts of this

604
00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:08,480
yeah there was a guy between us at pad

605
00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:10,640
two and we asked him when we got back in

606
00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:12,080
the truck later that night and he said

607
00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:13,840
he didn't see anything and and he was he

608
00:23:17,029 --> 00:23:15,360
was the first one to start making fun of

609
00:23:20,230 --> 00:23:17,039
us he thought that the two of us

610
00:23:21,190 --> 00:23:20,240
colluded and came up with this story

611
00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:21,200
wow

612
00:23:25,350 --> 00:23:23,760
that so that that right off the bat you

613
00:23:27,669 --> 00:23:25,360
found out what that's like

614
00:23:29,909 --> 00:23:27,679
yeah yeah and i you know i've never

615
00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:29,919
heard any of the stories that you know

616
00:23:34,630 --> 00:23:31,600
now you hear all the time about you know

617
00:23:35,590 --> 00:23:34,640
military uh service uh personnel

618
00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:35,600
uh

619
00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:37,360
and in fact when when i first talked to

620
00:23:40,830 --> 00:23:39,600
lou elizondo in um

621
00:23:45,190 --> 00:23:40,840
i think it was

622
00:23:47,909 --> 00:23:45,200
2017 or yeah or 18 um

623
00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:47,919
he he was telling me stories about how

624
00:23:52,070 --> 00:23:50,320
these uh these pilots would go up and

625
00:23:52,950 --> 00:23:52,080
and uh you know when they they'd say

626
00:23:55,350 --> 00:23:52,960
they would

627
00:23:57,430 --> 00:23:55,360
see a spaceship and then um you know

628
00:24:00,549 --> 00:23:57,440
report it over the the radio and then

629
00:24:01,590 --> 00:24:00,559
they'd get back in and and uh come into

630
00:24:09,590 --> 00:24:01,600
uh

631
00:24:12,070 --> 00:24:09,600
on the tv and yeah you know they'd get

632
00:24:13,909 --> 00:24:12,080
stuff uh you know stuffed in their their

633
00:24:16,630 --> 00:24:13,919
lockers you know

634
00:24:18,470 --> 00:24:16,640
all kinds of uh jokes and so you know

635
00:24:20,549 --> 00:24:18,480
people just want to report things i

636
00:24:22,549 --> 00:24:20,559
never heard any of these stories before

637
00:24:23,830 --> 00:24:22,559
so this was you know this was brand new

638
00:24:25,830 --> 00:24:23,840
and and

639
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:25,840
didn't know what to expect and you know

640
00:24:28,630 --> 00:24:27,360
uh we weren't even going to talk about

641
00:24:29,510 --> 00:24:28,640
it at first

642
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:29,520
um

643
00:24:33,029 --> 00:24:31,200
but of course as soon as mike got in the

644
00:24:33,990 --> 00:24:33,039
truck he started he started blabbing

645
00:24:36,549 --> 00:24:34,000
about it

646
00:24:39,269 --> 00:24:36,559
and so the cat was out of the bag

647
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:39,279
yeah and did you get a more ridicule

648
00:24:43,029 --> 00:24:40,880
from other people i mean did it get

649
00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:43,039
around like

650
00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:45,360
through everyone yeah it didn't take

651
00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:48,080
long you know this was uh we got in uh

652
00:24:53,750 --> 00:24:50,640
uh we we finished at 1 a.m

653
00:24:56,549 --> 00:24:53,760
and uh i was probably in in my sleeping

654
00:24:57,990 --> 00:24:56,559
bag by 1 30. and the next morning we we

655
00:24:59,510 --> 00:24:58,000
went to chow i don't know what time it

656
00:25:00,470 --> 00:24:59,520
was i'm going to say probably like seven

657
00:25:02,950 --> 00:25:00,480
o'clock

658
00:25:03,830 --> 00:25:02,960
and it was already all over camp and uh

659
00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:03,840
you know

660
00:25:08,390 --> 00:25:06,080
people were coming up to me like hey i

661
00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:08,400
saw you heard you saw a spaceship did

662
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:09,919
you get probed and

663
00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:11,919
yeah all kinds of all kinds of jokes so

664
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:14,000
i never went as far as recanting it but

665
00:25:17,990 --> 00:25:16,320
i just stopped talking about it and then

666
00:25:20,870 --> 00:25:18,000
uh you know after i got home i didn't

667
00:25:23,190 --> 00:25:20,880
tell anyone i and recently i've asked a

668
00:25:26,070 --> 00:25:23,200
few friends um that i was in school with

669
00:25:27,269 --> 00:25:26,080
i said hey did i ever tell you i saw ufo

670
00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:27,279
and

671
00:25:32,149 --> 00:25:28,960
no nobody remembers me ever talking

672
00:25:33,750 --> 00:25:32,159
about it um and i was in a fraternity uh

673
00:25:34,870 --> 00:25:33,760
we were we were tight you know like

674
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:34,880
brothers

675
00:25:37,350 --> 00:25:36,480
tell each other everything

676
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:37,360
um

677
00:25:41,830 --> 00:25:39,120
i never mentioned it to anyone it was

678
00:25:44,470 --> 00:25:41,840
years before i started talking about it

679
00:25:45,430 --> 00:25:44,480
yeah and it's too bad it has to be like

680
00:25:48,070 --> 00:25:45,440
that well

681
00:25:49,830 --> 00:25:48,080
i i do see that there's definitely

682
00:25:52,470 --> 00:25:49,840
more of a change now

683
00:25:54,630 --> 00:25:52,480
um it's that that's kind of cooled down

684
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:54,640
quite a bit you know people are

685
00:25:57,750 --> 00:25:56,640
and i and i'll say this very very

686
00:25:59,190 --> 00:25:57,760
recently

687
00:26:01,190 --> 00:25:59,200
i've been doing this show now it's

688
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:01,200
coming up on 10 years

689
00:26:06,149 --> 00:26:02,880
and it's only been

690
00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:06,159
since you know the tail end of 2017 when

691
00:26:10,390 --> 00:26:08,960
things started you know

692
00:26:11,909 --> 00:26:10,400
people started looking at this a little

693
00:26:13,830 --> 00:26:11,919
more seriously

694
00:26:16,149 --> 00:26:13,840
a lot of it had to do with the new york

695
00:26:19,110 --> 00:26:16,159
times article i say it all the time that

696
00:26:21,029 --> 00:26:19,120
yeah that sort of freed up uh you know

697
00:26:23,269 --> 00:26:21,039
uh people's uh

698
00:26:25,590 --> 00:26:23,279
thinking about it without ridicule

699
00:26:27,430 --> 00:26:25,600
uh i mean it still goes on a bit but

700
00:26:30,070 --> 00:26:27,440
it's not anywhere near like it used to

701
00:26:31,909 --> 00:26:30,080
be so what made you finally

702
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:31,919
well let me ask you this

703
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:34,320
how did they find you

704
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:36,799
for unidentified and how did i come up i

705
00:26:40,149 --> 00:26:38,640
found

706
00:26:42,390 --> 00:26:40,159
this was before there was an

707
00:26:45,669 --> 00:26:42,400
unidentified um

708
00:26:48,630 --> 00:26:45,679
you know for for years i i'd wanted to

709
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:48,640
make some kind of official report uh you

710
00:26:53,190 --> 00:26:50,400
know i wanted to

711
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:53,200
i kind of had this this this vision this

712
00:27:00,390 --> 00:26:56,880
fantasy that uh you know once i

713
00:27:01,990 --> 00:27:00,400
put this on mufon and new fork uh the

714
00:27:04,549 --> 00:27:02,000
men in black were gonna come and visit

715
00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:04,559
me and and i'd i'd give them my report

716
00:27:08,149 --> 00:27:06,480
and then you know something would happen

717
00:27:09,830 --> 00:27:08,159
or it wouldn't but at least you know i

718
00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:09,840
would have made my official report and

719
00:27:12,549 --> 00:27:11,279
that never happened

720
00:27:13,750 --> 00:27:12,559
so um

721
00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:13,760
you know

722
00:27:20,310 --> 00:27:16,400
decades went by and i basically gave up

723
00:27:22,389 --> 00:27:20,320
uh the the

724
00:27:24,870 --> 00:27:22,399
notion that i was ever going to have the

725
00:27:26,149 --> 00:27:24,880
opportunity to really officially report

726
00:27:28,389 --> 00:27:26,159
this

727
00:27:31,029 --> 00:27:28,399
and then um

728
00:27:33,029 --> 00:27:31,039
it was it was an open secret in in you

729
00:27:34,950 --> 00:27:33,039
know amongst close friends and family

730
00:27:36,789 --> 00:27:34,960
that i had this experience and and

731
00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:36,799
nobody questioned it and none of my

732
00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:39,919
closest friends uh questioned it um

733
00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:40,720
so

734
00:27:45,269 --> 00:27:43,440
my wife's sister came across that new

735
00:27:46,789 --> 00:27:45,279
york times article

736
00:27:49,110 --> 00:27:46,799
and she

737
00:27:51,190 --> 00:27:49,120
sent it to my wife through uh messenger

738
00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:51,200
and my wife sent it to me and she said

739
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:53,200
hey you know my sister just sent me this

740
00:27:56,310 --> 00:27:54,880
article you should read it it's about

741
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:56,320
ufos

742
00:27:59,750 --> 00:27:57,840
and i read it and i just said you know

743
00:28:02,389 --> 00:27:59,760
it was it was like that eureka moment i

744
00:28:04,710 --> 00:28:02,399
said my god this is the guy that you

745
00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:04,720
know i i needed to speak with uh for the

746
00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:07,760
past whatever it was at that time 26 27

747
00:28:10,149 --> 00:28:08,640
years

748
00:28:11,909 --> 00:28:10,159
um

749
00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:11,919
so i tracked him down

750
00:28:18,149 --> 00:28:13,760
and um

751
00:28:20,549 --> 00:28:18,159
i've been in sales for uh 15 plus years

752
00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:20,559
uh i have a knack for

753
00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:22,000
getting to the person that i want to

754
00:28:26,710 --> 00:28:24,720
talk to uh could be the ceo of a big

755
00:28:28,789 --> 00:28:26,720
corporation and i'll get past the

756
00:28:30,950 --> 00:28:28,799
gatekeeper and get the guy on the phone

757
00:28:31,990 --> 00:28:30,960
so i i tracked down lou

758
00:28:33,590 --> 00:28:32,000
and that's

759
00:28:34,630 --> 00:28:33,600
from someone who tracked down lou it's

760
00:28:35,669 --> 00:28:34,640
not easy

761
00:28:38,950 --> 00:28:35,679
yeah

762
00:28:41,269 --> 00:28:38,960
time i don't know maybe he's got better

763
00:28:42,789 --> 00:28:41,279
uh better uh uh

764
00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:42,799
gatekeepers now

765
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:46,240
but um yeah i i reached out to him and

766
00:28:48,870 --> 00:28:48,000
and some time went by

767
00:28:55,669 --> 00:28:48,880
uh

768
00:28:58,310 --> 00:28:55,679
asking for more information

769
00:29:01,190 --> 00:28:58,320
and uh i think it was uh probably a good

770
00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:01,200
two or three months before i finally uh

771
00:29:06,070 --> 00:29:03,760
you know walked into my office here and

772
00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:06,080
uh my phone was flashing and i checked

773
00:29:09,990 --> 00:29:07,440
the voicemail and

774
00:29:11,350 --> 00:29:10,000
hi this is luis elizondo

775
00:29:13,110 --> 00:29:11,360
here's my cell phone number give me a

776
00:29:14,470 --> 00:29:13,120
call huh

777
00:29:16,149 --> 00:29:14,480
so that was

778
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:16,159
i remember running into the kitchen and

779
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:17,760
saying to my wife hey the guy from the

780
00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:19,200
new york times article left me a

781
00:29:29,830 --> 00:29:26,789
and and lose ben um blue has been uh

782
00:29:33,190 --> 00:29:29,840
very popular on shows

783
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:33,200
and news series and all that and

784
00:29:37,590 --> 00:29:35,279
because of that um

785
00:29:39,590 --> 00:29:37,600
the ufo community has kind of been kind

786
00:29:41,830 --> 00:29:39,600
of been hard on

787
00:29:44,870 --> 00:29:41,840
lou you know i spoke a little while with

788
00:29:47,110 --> 00:29:44,880
his wife about that and um and it's kind

789
00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:47,120
of too bad i it shouldn't there

790
00:29:51,669 --> 00:29:49,360
shouldn't be any jealousies we're all

791
00:29:53,669 --> 00:29:51,679
trying to get to the same thing in my

792
00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:53,679
opinion you know that's just my opinion

793
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:55,360
but um you know

794
00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:57,600
and and and he feels that too and and

795
00:30:01,590 --> 00:29:59,120
you know we we talk once in a while

796
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:01,600
we'll we'll trade some texts and you

797
00:30:06,230 --> 00:30:03,360
know phone call now and then

798
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:06,240
and it it does it does get to him uh

799
00:30:11,430 --> 00:30:09,120
yeah he takes it he takes things very

800
00:30:12,870 --> 00:30:11,440
very uh personally

801
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:12,880
and yeah

802
00:30:16,549 --> 00:30:14,799
i think a hard thing to do yeah i think

803
00:30:18,549 --> 00:30:16,559
a lot of people see him as this you know

804
00:30:22,310 --> 00:30:18,559
this uh former

805
00:30:24,389 --> 00:30:22,320
you know uh career military guy a spy an

806
00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:24,399
interrogator whatever you know whatever

807
00:30:27,669 --> 00:30:25,200
they

808
00:30:28,710 --> 00:30:27,679
uh

809
00:30:30,789 --> 00:30:28,720
and

810
00:30:32,470 --> 00:30:30,799
he's just got a you know a tough

811
00:30:34,389 --> 00:30:32,480
exterior but he's just like me and you

812
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:34,399
you know he's

813
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:36,720
these kind of things uh they do get to

814
00:30:41,590 --> 00:30:38,640
him he's a real person

815
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:41,600
yeah yeah that's right yep and you know

816
00:30:45,909 --> 00:30:44,399
he's just trying to get by now and a lot

817
00:30:46,710 --> 00:30:45,919
of people question well why don't you

818
00:30:48,549 --> 00:30:46,720
just

819
00:30:50,470 --> 00:30:48,559
you know break your oath and you know

820
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:50,480
you can't do that i mean maybe he does

821
00:30:53,909 --> 00:30:51,840
know things that

822
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:53,919
would change the whole

823
00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:57,039
um narrative of of this whole thing

824
00:31:01,669 --> 00:30:59,039
but he can't

825
00:31:02,830 --> 00:31:01,679
you know he can't go to jail for that i

826
00:31:06,789 --> 00:31:02,840
mean he's

827
00:31:09,509 --> 00:31:06,799
rest of his life in jail for

828
00:31:11,430 --> 00:31:09,519
for that yeah and i i don't know

829
00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:11,440
uh you know i i don't really know how

830
00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:14,080
those things work like where is the line

831
00:31:17,830 --> 00:31:15,760
that he has to cross

832
00:31:19,590 --> 00:31:17,840
before you know some action happens but

833
00:31:21,509 --> 00:31:19,600
i wouldn't want to test it

834
00:31:24,230 --> 00:31:21,519
you know and i think he i think he comes

835
00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:24,240
as close to it as he possibly can myself

836
00:31:27,830 --> 00:31:25,760
and and they're definitely plenty of

837
00:31:29,830 --> 00:31:27,840
people uh

838
00:31:32,789 --> 00:31:29,840
former co-workers of his

839
00:31:35,190 --> 00:31:32,799
that would love to take him down uh if

840
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:35,200
if they had the opportunity so he's

841
00:31:39,909 --> 00:31:37,120
ridiculous yeah he's gonna walk a fine

842
00:31:42,070 --> 00:31:39,919
line and not cross it yeah right another

843
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:42,080
question that greg sent i thought it was

844
00:31:45,909 --> 00:31:43,919
another really good question some

845
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:45,919
witnesses report feeling as though they

846
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:47,760
were seeing something they shouldn't be

847
00:31:51,430 --> 00:31:48,960
seeing

848
00:31:53,830 --> 00:31:51,440
or other strong responses to witnessing

849
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:53,840
something they can't process

850
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:56,480
did you notice any psychological

851
00:32:00,549 --> 00:31:57,360
um

852
00:32:02,310 --> 00:32:00,559
effects or you know besides fear

853
00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:02,320
i immediately

854
00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:05,039
started thinking that uh i didn't want

855
00:32:11,029 --> 00:32:07,600
this to be happening um

856
00:32:14,789 --> 00:32:12,950
what i knew at the time you know this is

857
00:32:18,630 --> 00:32:14,799
1992

858
00:32:20,789 --> 00:32:18,640
uh of uh people that were into ufos

859
00:32:23,350 --> 00:32:20,799
is they were a bunch of weirdos

860
00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:23,360
and uh i didn't want to be one of those

861
00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:26,080
people i you know i um

862
00:32:29,830 --> 00:32:28,000
the only time you ever heard about ufos

863
00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:29,840
if it wasn't in some kind of science

864
00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:32,240
fiction book or movie

865
00:32:37,669 --> 00:32:35,360
was uh the national enquirer uh the

866
00:32:39,269 --> 00:32:37,679
weekly world news that you know often

867
00:32:41,430 --> 00:32:39,279
featured the bat boy

868
00:32:44,070 --> 00:32:41,440
uh and and you know the uh the the

869
00:32:45,990 --> 00:32:44,080
family that was uh you know like half uh

870
00:32:47,350 --> 00:32:46,000
half april something like that

871
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:47,360
um

872
00:32:52,149 --> 00:32:49,200
you know it was is you know

873
00:32:55,110 --> 00:32:52,159
the the stuff of fiction and fantasy

874
00:32:58,630 --> 00:32:55,120
and i i wanted nothing to do with that

875
00:33:00,630 --> 00:32:58,640
and i i was thinking immediately

876
00:33:03,750 --> 00:33:00,640
no one's ever gonna believe me i can't

877
00:33:05,190 --> 00:33:03,760
ever talk about this with anyone uh

878
00:33:07,190 --> 00:33:05,200
you know i i

879
00:33:09,509 --> 00:33:07,200
i thought it through because i had i had

880
00:33:11,669 --> 00:33:09,519
so much time the thing was there

881
00:33:14,149 --> 00:33:11,679
in front of me just hanging out

882
00:33:17,190 --> 00:33:14,159
moving very very slowly

883
00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:17,200
you know covered 220 feet in probably

884
00:33:20,789 --> 00:33:19,840
about you know three to five minutes

885
00:33:23,509 --> 00:33:20,799
so

886
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:23,519
i had a lot of time to think and i

887
00:33:27,029 --> 00:33:25,120
didn't like what was happening i didn't

888
00:33:28,389 --> 00:33:27,039
want it to be happening

889
00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:28,399
well

890
00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:29,360
i do

891
00:33:34,389 --> 00:33:31,360
i had i had a sighting not as dramatic

892
00:33:36,710 --> 00:33:34,399
as yours actually you i say this you

893
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:36,720
know my sighting was probably boring

894
00:33:41,269 --> 00:33:38,960
compared to a lot of people's sightings

895
00:33:44,070 --> 00:33:41,279
but i do remember

896
00:33:45,509 --> 00:33:44,080
that feeling like who am i going to tell

897
00:33:48,070 --> 00:33:45,519
and you know

898
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:48,080
uh and and i made the mistake of talking

899
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:50,720
about it to one person where i worked

900
00:33:54,310 --> 00:33:52,480
and the word got around

901
00:33:56,149 --> 00:33:54,320
within like an hour

902
00:33:58,870 --> 00:33:56,159
i was getting teased you know like you

903
00:34:00,710 --> 00:33:58,880
said earlier like the anal probing thing

904
00:34:03,269 --> 00:34:00,720
you know that that was coming up with

905
00:34:05,269 --> 00:34:03,279
some laughs and and things like that and

906
00:34:07,909 --> 00:34:05,279
so i i did the same thing i kept it

907
00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:07,919
quiet for years and years you know this

908
00:34:12,710 --> 00:34:11,919
my sighting you know i i think i found

909
00:34:16,389 --> 00:34:12,720
a

910
00:34:19,909 --> 00:34:16,399
found

911
00:34:21,589 --> 00:34:19,919
the sighting reported um it was in

912
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:21,599
monterey mine was

913
00:34:25,109 --> 00:34:23,040
when i had my sighting was heading

914
00:34:27,190 --> 00:34:25,119
toward monterey

915
00:34:29,109 --> 00:34:27,200
but if i remember right it was about

916
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:29,119
exactly the same time and everything i

917
00:34:33,510 --> 00:34:31,919
found a site where you can look it up

918
00:34:35,270 --> 00:34:33,520
and i looked it up but i didn't remember

919
00:34:36,629 --> 00:34:35,280
what time of year it is

920
00:34:38,069 --> 00:34:36,639
here it was

921
00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:38,079
i know that sounds really bizarre but

922
00:34:41,430 --> 00:34:40,000
when you're living in california it's

923
00:34:43,750 --> 00:34:41,440
really hard for you remember what time

924
00:34:45,270 --> 00:34:43,760
of year it is because it's all

925
00:34:49,829 --> 00:34:45,280
you know mostly the same there's no

926
00:34:51,750 --> 00:34:49,839
seasons yeah you know that uh but anyway

927
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:51,760
i i might have found it but

928
00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:53,280
the bottom line is

929
00:34:58,310 --> 00:34:54,879
um you know i didn't want to talk about

930
00:35:01,190 --> 00:34:58,320
it either and you know

931
00:35:03,270 --> 00:35:01,200
uh i'm also a professional and i you

932
00:35:05,109 --> 00:35:03,280
know talking about this

933
00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:05,119
used to be a lot more iffy than it is

934
00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:07,359
now now i'm not i'm not worried about it

935
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:08,880
in the slightest

936
00:35:13,589 --> 00:35:11,040
you know if i'm going out i'm a fine art

937
00:35:15,510 --> 00:35:13,599
appraiser if i'm doing an appraisal and

938
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:15,520
i feel comfortable enough to talk about

939
00:35:19,109 --> 00:35:17,280
it i will

940
00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:19,119
you know with yeah with someone

941
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:21,599
it was uh

942
00:35:26,150 --> 00:35:23,520
i would say

943
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:26,160
maybe within a year or two

944
00:35:30,630 --> 00:35:28,560
prior to that new york times article i

945
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:30,640
started to get a little bit more open

946
00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:31,760
with it

947
00:35:36,870 --> 00:35:33,680
usually you know if i had a few guys

948
00:35:39,030 --> 00:35:36,880
over uh you know outside uh

949
00:35:42,310 --> 00:35:39,040
having scotch around the fireplace

950
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:42,320
um you know i might i might open up

951
00:35:46,630 --> 00:35:44,560
about it

952
00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:46,640
but it was still something i kept mostly

953
00:35:49,829 --> 00:35:48,400
to myself like you know if i was

954
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:49,839
comfortable with the people that i was

955
00:35:53,910 --> 00:35:51,760
with i might say something about it but

956
00:35:55,430 --> 00:35:53,920
not really a whole lot of details

957
00:35:58,470 --> 00:35:55,440
but you know

958
00:36:00,550 --> 00:35:58,480
after i started talking to lou about um

959
00:36:01,910 --> 00:36:00,560
uh you know he's the one that suggested

960
00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:01,920
this this show that they were going to

961
00:36:05,349 --> 00:36:03,520
be doing and and

962
00:36:08,310 --> 00:36:05,359
initially it was just uh

963
00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:08,320
going to be a two-hour documentary

964
00:36:11,990 --> 00:36:09,920
and you know he had me talking with a

965
00:36:14,790 --> 00:36:12,000
producer about it that's when i started

966
00:36:17,510 --> 00:36:14,800
to uh to really open up because

967
00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:17,520
i figured i'm gonna be on this show

968
00:36:21,750 --> 00:36:19,200
and i didn't know i wasn't gonna be on

969
00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:21,760
the first season um it you know ended up

970
00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:23,760
being a whole year before they uh they

971
00:36:27,990 --> 00:36:26,160
really did the in-depth interview but i

972
00:36:28,870 --> 00:36:28,000
i thought at that time you know what if

973
00:36:34,870 --> 00:36:28,880
uh

974
00:36:36,790 --> 00:36:34,880
outed to the world about this i i might

975
00:36:38,790 --> 00:36:36,800
as well dive in head first and so that's

976
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:38,800
when i started my blog and and i started

977
00:36:42,870 --> 00:36:40,480
to really uh

978
00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:42,880
speak much more openly and candidly with

979
00:36:45,829 --> 00:36:44,160
people about it

980
00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:45,839
yeah i'm just going to post uh for the

981
00:36:50,470 --> 00:36:47,920
people on youtube and facebook

982
00:36:51,750 --> 00:36:50,480
just posting your your blog here for

983
00:36:55,910 --> 00:36:51,760
everyone to see

984
00:36:56,790 --> 00:36:55,920
and that's uh i saw one two uh t-o-o dot

985
00:36:59,990 --> 00:36:56,800
net

986
00:37:01,670 --> 00:37:00,000
and uh there's the image of that and uh

987
00:37:03,030 --> 00:37:01,680
so you have how many blog posts do you

988
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:03,040
have

989
00:37:07,349 --> 00:37:05,200
uh it's close to 200 at this point i

990
00:37:10,230 --> 00:37:07,359
really i don't write as prolifically as

991
00:37:13,109 --> 00:37:10,240
as i i did the first year

992
00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:13,119
when i first started it was like um

993
00:37:18,550 --> 00:37:16,320
it was like uh you know a

994
00:37:22,310 --> 00:37:18,560
a tap turned on and

995
00:37:24,150 --> 00:37:22,320
um i wrote every day uh for months

996
00:37:27,030 --> 00:37:24,160
almost every day for months

997
00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:27,040
uh and then and then uh i got sick and i

998
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:30,320
couldn't do it for a little while so i i

999
00:37:33,829 --> 00:37:31,920
tapered it back a bit

1000
00:37:36,150 --> 00:37:33,839
but yeah it's been it's it's going on

1001
00:37:38,470 --> 00:37:36,160
200 articles i've got over a quarter

1002
00:37:41,430 --> 00:37:38,480
million page views

1003
00:37:44,230 --> 00:37:41,440
and uh you know it's uh it's really

1004
00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:44,240
taken off uh i'm pretty happy with the

1005
00:37:46,630 --> 00:37:45,680
success of it

1006
00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:46,640
um

1007
00:37:50,550 --> 00:37:47,680
and

1008
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:50,560
you know i i feel like it's uh it's

1009
00:37:53,670 --> 00:37:52,000
doing a service

1010
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:53,680
it's um

1011
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:55,680
you know most of it is speculative it's

1012
00:37:58,230 --> 00:37:56,880
it's me

1013
00:38:01,109 --> 00:37:58,240
saying uh

1014
00:38:03,190 --> 00:38:01,119
you know uh

1015
00:38:05,829 --> 00:38:03,200
what are aliens like you know what what

1016
00:38:08,150 --> 00:38:05,839
uh what why are they here

1017
00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:08,160
um you know just me coming up with some

1018
00:38:12,390 --> 00:38:10,240
some theories about things like that but

1019
00:38:14,470 --> 00:38:12,400
i think what what's unique about it is a

1020
00:38:16,470 --> 00:38:14,480
lot of people who are either doing

1021
00:38:19,109 --> 00:38:16,480
youtube channels or blogs

1022
00:38:20,790 --> 00:38:19,119
they're trying to prove

1023
00:38:22,150 --> 00:38:20,800
that there's life on other planets and

1024
00:38:24,630 --> 00:38:22,160
it's visiting us

1025
00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:24,640
i don't have to prove that i it happened

1026
00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:25,760
to me

1027
00:38:28,870 --> 00:38:26,880
i know

1028
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:28,880
you know so i can start from that point

1029
00:38:32,470 --> 00:38:30,960
and say okay they're here

1030
00:38:33,990 --> 00:38:32,480
why are they hiding

1031
00:38:35,910 --> 00:38:34,000
what do they want

1032
00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:35,920
what's life like on their planet you

1033
00:38:40,630 --> 00:38:38,400
know what's what's their motivation

1034
00:38:42,790 --> 00:38:40,640
so you're fairly convinced that what you

1035
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:42,800
saw was otherworldly

1036
00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:45,200
not fairly it was pretty it was clear to

1037
00:38:49,349 --> 00:38:47,760
me as soon as i saw it

1038
00:38:51,670 --> 00:38:49,359
it was a

1039
00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:51,680
giant spaceship just

1040
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:53,920
sitting there and and then very slowly

1041
00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:55,200
moving by me

1042
00:39:00,390 --> 00:38:58,240
uh there it's it's not even i mean we

1043
00:39:02,550 --> 00:39:00,400
can we can talk all day about you know

1044
00:39:04,870 --> 00:39:02,560
the similarities it may

1045
00:39:06,310 --> 00:39:04,880
or may not have had to anything else and

1046
00:39:07,990 --> 00:39:06,320
what it might have been

1047
00:39:09,670 --> 00:39:08,000
at the end of the day it's an alien

1048
00:39:10,870 --> 00:39:09,680
spaceship whatever way you want to carve

1049
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:10,880
it up

1050
00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:13,440
well i'll tell you this there's uh

1051
00:39:17,910 --> 00:39:16,320
well the saying so that you must hear

1052
00:39:19,589 --> 00:39:17,920
like on the news

1053
00:39:21,109 --> 00:39:19,599
or whatever that

1054
00:39:22,710 --> 00:39:21,119
um

1055
00:39:24,790 --> 00:39:22,720
a lot of times people will speculate

1056
00:39:27,030 --> 00:39:24,800
well this could be russia it could be

1057
00:39:29,910 --> 00:39:27,040
china but they don't

1058
00:39:32,550 --> 00:39:29,920
ever talk about the older cases when it

1059
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:32,560
comes to that 1992

1060
00:39:37,109 --> 00:39:35,200
was a long time ago to have this type of

1061
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:37,119
technology if

1062
00:39:40,950 --> 00:39:39,200
someone had it and how could they hide

1063
00:39:42,870 --> 00:39:40,960
it for that long

1064
00:39:44,950 --> 00:39:42,880
and have you

1065
00:39:48,069 --> 00:39:44,960
also pondered

1066
00:39:49,510 --> 00:39:48,079
why it was over the ammunition or the

1067
00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:49,520
munition

1068
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:51,200
uh whatever you call them it was it was

1069
00:39:54,310 --> 00:39:52,800
clear to me that they were checking out

1070
00:39:56,310 --> 00:39:54,320
our capabilities why else would they

1071
00:39:59,190 --> 00:39:56,320
have been there and like hanging out for

1072
00:40:00,790 --> 00:39:59,200
so long uh also there was like an

1073
00:40:02,550 --> 00:40:00,800
electrical charge in the air i think

1074
00:40:04,790 --> 00:40:02,560
that's what was making my arm here stand

1075
00:40:07,349 --> 00:40:04,800
up and i don't know if that was related

1076
00:40:09,270 --> 00:40:07,359
to whatever propulsion this thing was

1077
00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:09,280
using or if they had some kind of

1078
00:40:13,750 --> 00:40:12,000
scanning technology like an x-ray but

1079
00:40:15,510 --> 00:40:13,760
you know probably millions of years more

1080
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:15,520
advanced than that that they were using

1081
00:40:20,230 --> 00:40:18,000
to see what was inside the boxes because

1082
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:20,240
um you know they didn't just have uh

1083
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:21,920
like you know you couldn't see any bombs

1084
00:40:25,829 --> 00:40:23,520
or bullets or anything it was all these

1085
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:25,839
wooden crates and you know there was at

1086
00:40:29,910 --> 00:40:28,079
least one 50 gallon drum it was all

1087
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:29,920
sealed up so

1088
00:40:33,910 --> 00:40:31,680
you know you'd have to like walk up to

1089
00:40:36,230 --> 00:40:33,920
it and and read the you know what was

1090
00:40:39,510 --> 00:40:36,240
whatever was uh painted on the box to to

1091
00:40:41,990 --> 00:40:39,520
know what was in it so they they

1092
00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:42,000
were i think scanning what was in there

1093
00:40:46,150 --> 00:40:44,160
to see what our capabilities were

1094
00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:46,160
and let me ask you this and this

1095
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:48,720
is a little off topic but

1096
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:52,480
why are these munitions there i mean was

1097
00:40:58,470 --> 00:40:55,200
this for exercises or something or i

1098
00:41:00,710 --> 00:40:58,480
mean yes so so this was a joint forces

1099
00:41:03,589 --> 00:41:00,720
uh you know field training exercise so

1100
00:41:05,510 --> 00:41:03,599
there were army uh reserve and guard

1101
00:41:08,069 --> 00:41:05,520
units from all over the northeast united

1102
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:08,079
states and eastern canada that all

1103
00:41:13,030 --> 00:41:10,560
converged on this one spot

1104
00:41:15,430 --> 00:41:13,040
for a few weeks to play war games and

1105
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:15,440
since i was in an ammo unit we were

1106
00:41:19,190 --> 00:41:17,200
responsible for

1107
00:41:21,430 --> 00:41:19,200
uh you know safeguarding and

1108
00:41:23,270 --> 00:41:21,440
distributing the ammunition not not me

1109
00:41:24,470 --> 00:41:23,280
personally but that's what my unit's

1110
00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:24,480
mission was

1111
00:41:30,309 --> 00:41:26,960
so uh you know we we had to have a place

1112
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:30,319
to store it and since we had set up all

1113
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:31,920
these camps in the woods you know there

1114
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:33,599
were no buildings out there and you know

1115
00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:36,400
you see in my episode of unidentified

1116
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:37,839
they had me standing outside of like

1117
00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:40,079
some kind of it looks like an airplane

1118
00:41:43,030 --> 00:41:41,760
hangar uh

1119
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:43,040
there was nothing like that there was

1120
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:44,880
nothing it was just

1121
00:41:49,670 --> 00:41:47,040
woods and i was in an empty clearing

1122
00:41:51,109 --> 00:41:49,680
with a you know stacks of uh boxes in

1123
00:41:53,750 --> 00:41:51,119
the in the middle of it

1124
00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:53,760
so um they needed someplace to put it

1125
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:55,200
they just stacked it up in the woods and

1126
00:41:58,470 --> 00:41:57,599
then put guards on it

1127
00:42:00,670 --> 00:41:58,480
wow

1128
00:42:02,710 --> 00:42:00,680
and how long did they have to be guarded

1129
00:42:03,750 --> 00:42:02,720
for the entire time we were out there

1130
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:03,760
you don't want to

1131
00:42:07,109 --> 00:42:05,280
let anyone uh

1132
00:42:09,270 --> 00:42:07,119
you don't want to leave it unattended

1133
00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:09,280
for any any amount of time because

1134
00:42:12,790 --> 00:42:10,880
uh there had been an incident a few

1135
00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:12,800
years earlier my unit had been up there

1136
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:14,240
this is before i got in i think it was

1137
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:16,560
the year before i was in um

1138
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:18,720
and my my dad was actually involved in

1139
00:42:23,670 --> 00:42:20,960
this because he was in my unit as well

1140
00:42:26,309 --> 00:42:23,680
and they weren't guarding the ammunition

1141
00:42:28,390 --> 00:42:26,319
uh they were kind of doing rounds uh you

1142
00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:28,400
know driving by every once in a while

1143
00:42:32,309 --> 00:42:30,079
and they they busted some canadian

1144
00:42:34,870 --> 00:42:32,319
civilians uh trying to make off with

1145
00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:34,880
some ammunition oh wow and and actually

1146
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:37,760
uh took chase after them they were in a

1147
00:42:41,670 --> 00:42:40,560
chevy blazer they called a a cuck v or a

1148
00:42:42,870 --> 00:42:41,680
cut b

1149
00:42:44,470 --> 00:42:42,880
and um

1150
00:42:47,109 --> 00:42:44,480
they took off after them

1151
00:42:48,790 --> 00:42:47,119
and uh one of the two guys not not my

1152
00:42:51,510 --> 00:42:48,800
dad but the other guy that was with him

1153
00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:51,520
actually fired a few shots at them

1154
00:42:55,349 --> 00:42:54,480
so uh luckily nobody was killed or

1155
00:42:57,829 --> 00:42:55,359
injured

1156
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:57,839
uh but because of that when i went out

1157
00:43:01,990 --> 00:42:59,440
on my guard duty

1158
00:43:04,790 --> 00:43:02,000
whatever this was three four years later

1159
00:43:05,829 --> 00:43:04,800
we were not sent out with ammunition

1160
00:43:07,510 --> 00:43:05,839
so

1161
00:43:10,230 --> 00:43:07,520
you know i'm out there during this whole

1162
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:10,240
encounter i'm holding an m16

1163
00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:14,240
no ammunition so maybe i i you know and

1164
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:15,359
and this is something going through my

1165
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:18,000
head as well while this is all going on

1166
00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:18,960
i

1167
00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:21,119
may appear to be a threat

1168
00:43:25,910 --> 00:43:23,839
because i'm armed

1169
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:25,920
but i can't do anything i have a rifle

1170
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:30,630
how about that

1171
00:43:36,069 --> 00:43:34,400
getting back to the ridicule factor of

1172
00:43:37,109 --> 00:43:36,079
people that are just starting to look

1173
00:43:38,470 --> 00:43:37,119
into this

1174
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:38,480
may question

1175
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:40,720
where a lot of that comes from and i

1176
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:42,480
don't even know if you actually know but

1177
00:43:46,950 --> 00:43:44,400
back in 1952

1178
00:43:49,030 --> 00:43:46,960
there was a major ufo flap and there was

1179
00:43:52,069 --> 00:43:49,040
a lot of very concerned citizens all

1180
00:43:56,230 --> 00:43:52,079
across the country and they came up with

1181
00:43:57,750 --> 00:43:56,240
the robertson panel in 1953

1182
00:43:58,870 --> 00:43:57,760
and it was basically how can they

1183
00:44:02,870 --> 00:43:58,880
deflate

1184
00:44:04,470 --> 00:44:02,880
um the ufo topic and uh they chose you

1185
00:44:06,630 --> 00:44:04,480
know the ridicule

1186
00:44:08,950 --> 00:44:06,640
i don't know exactly i i did have a

1187
00:44:11,750 --> 00:44:08,960
guest unfortunately passed away um he

1188
00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:11,760
was on that really really knew all about

1189
00:44:17,190 --> 00:44:14,480
the robertson panel and used to discuss

1190
00:44:19,510 --> 00:44:17,200
it um he was on the show many many years

1191
00:44:22,870 --> 00:44:19,520
ago back toward the beginning but it's

1192
00:44:24,870 --> 00:44:22,880
very it's very uh interesting on how

1193
00:44:26,309 --> 00:44:24,880
that was crafted

1194
00:44:28,470 --> 00:44:26,319
uh purposely

1195
00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:28,480
um to ridicule people to deflate the

1196
00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:30,720
whole thing and to make it

1197
00:44:37,510 --> 00:44:34,160
taken you know not seriously any longer

1198
00:44:39,589 --> 00:44:37,520
uh we have a question here for you have

1199
00:44:42,069 --> 00:44:39,599
has you have you had any health problems

1200
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:42,079
that might be attributed to the craft

1201
00:44:47,109 --> 00:44:44,400
i i have not i did have cancer a couple

1202
00:44:47,910 --> 00:44:47,119
of years ago but uh it's a hereditary

1203
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:47,920
thing

1204
00:44:51,829 --> 00:44:51,040
and uh not related to my sighting in any

1205
00:44:55,190 --> 00:44:51,839
way

1206
00:44:56,550 --> 00:44:55,200
ah uh-huh uh what about um

1207
00:44:57,829 --> 00:44:56,560
any other

1208
00:44:59,910 --> 00:44:57,839
you know you talked about the hair

1209
00:45:02,069 --> 00:44:59,920
standing up on your arms did you ever

1210
00:45:02,950 --> 00:45:02,079
did you have any other lasting

1211
00:45:04,950 --> 00:45:02,960
things

1212
00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:04,960
within say the next few days after that

1213
00:45:08,390 --> 00:45:05,839
happened

1214
00:45:09,430 --> 00:45:08,400
not that i i ever thought of or or can

1215
00:45:11,829 --> 00:45:09,440
remember

1216
00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:11,839
what about dreams if you had any dreams

1217
00:45:16,550 --> 00:45:13,440
about this

1218
00:45:18,950 --> 00:45:16,560
none none and and i um

1219
00:45:23,349 --> 00:45:18,960
i pretty much blocked it out for a long

1220
00:45:26,069 --> 00:45:23,359
time and i remember the the first time

1221
00:45:28,390 --> 00:45:26,079
that i think the first time uh telling

1222
00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:28,400
anyone about this after it happened

1223
00:45:33,550 --> 00:45:29,680
uh was

1224
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:33,560
uh this was probably i want to say

1225
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:37,359
99 2000 it was so

1226
00:45:41,750 --> 00:45:39,359
seven or eight years later

1227
00:45:43,270 --> 00:45:41,760
um i was telling my cousin and his

1228
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:43,280
girlfriend

1229
00:45:48,950 --> 00:45:46,880
and uh my eyes started to uh to well up

1230
00:45:52,470 --> 00:45:48,960
and i i don't think i actually shed a

1231
00:45:55,030 --> 00:45:52,480
tear but i was very close to it um

1232
00:45:57,829 --> 00:45:55,040
the just the the emotion

1233
00:45:58,829 --> 00:45:57,839
from this it was so so traumatizing uh

1234
00:46:03,190 --> 00:45:58,839
and i had

1235
00:46:06,069 --> 00:46:03,200
just bottled it up kept it in um

1236
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:06,079
and when i i was finally

1237
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:07,280
releasing

1238
00:46:10,309 --> 00:46:08,640
you know this

1239
00:46:12,630 --> 00:46:10,319
all of this uh

1240
00:46:14,309 --> 00:46:12,640
you know that had been just boxed up and

1241
00:46:15,190 --> 00:46:14,319
completely forgotten about for years and

1242
00:46:17,829 --> 00:46:15,200
years

1243
00:46:20,870 --> 00:46:17,839
uh it started to uh to come out

1244
00:46:22,150 --> 00:46:20,880
yeah um that is something i i actually

1245
00:46:25,270 --> 00:46:22,160
hear quite a bit

1246
00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:25,280
yeah but there were no dreams it was uh

1247
00:46:29,829 --> 00:46:28,800
completely out of my mind for for years

1248
00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:29,839
and

1249
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:30,800
um

1250
00:46:35,030 --> 00:46:33,359
i i don't i can't remember ever having

1251
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:35,040
thought about it some you know my

1252
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:36,800
subconscious

1253
00:46:40,309 --> 00:46:38,160
how about that

1254
00:46:42,390 --> 00:46:40,319
here's a question from brett he wants to

1255
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:42,400
know what is it about this craft that

1256
00:46:47,829 --> 00:46:46,319
really made you say this is interstellar

1257
00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:47,839
well so

1258
00:46:53,190 --> 00:46:49,760
there's there's two parts to that so one

1259
00:46:57,030 --> 00:46:53,200
is what about it is an alien spaceship

1260
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:57,040
uh and it was just clear from from ju so

1261
00:47:01,190 --> 00:46:58,960
i'll break it down but just looking at

1262
00:47:03,670 --> 00:47:01,200
it as soon as i saw it i knew exactly

1263
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:03,680
what it was now we can break it down and

1264
00:47:07,910 --> 00:47:06,000
and you know i'm i'm what um

1265
00:47:10,309 --> 00:47:07,920
lou elizondo used the term trained

1266
00:47:11,670 --> 00:47:10,319
observer when i first spoke with him and

1267
00:47:13,990 --> 00:47:11,680
i had never heard that term before but

1268
00:47:15,670 --> 00:47:14,000
when he said i i thought yeah i guess i

1269
00:47:16,550 --> 00:47:15,680
was um

1270
00:47:17,670 --> 00:47:16,560
so

1271
00:47:20,150 --> 00:47:17,680
we had been

1272
00:47:22,630 --> 00:47:20,160
trained to recognize all

1273
00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:22,640
u.s allied

1274
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:25,440
aircraft soviet block aircraft and

1275
00:47:31,270 --> 00:47:28,000
civilian aircraft of all types we had

1276
00:47:35,109 --> 00:47:31,280
flash cards and uh they had stats and

1277
00:47:37,190 --> 00:47:35,119
silhouette of of each type of uh

1278
00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:37,200
aircraft so that

1279
00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:39,280
uh if we saw something at night or far

1280
00:47:43,190 --> 00:47:40,240
away

1281
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:43,200
we could identify immediately is this a

1282
00:47:48,470 --> 00:47:45,359
u.s uh ally

1283
00:47:49,589 --> 00:47:48,480
um soviet bloc or civilian and then we

1284
00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:49,599
would know whether we should shoot it

1285
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:52,160
down or not

1286
00:47:55,740 --> 00:47:54,000
so it

1287
00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:55,750
it didn't have any uh

1288
00:47:59,910 --> 00:47:57,680
[Music]

1289
00:48:01,770 --> 00:47:59,920
wings tail fins

1290
00:48:03,270 --> 00:48:01,780
rotors

1291
00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:03,280
[Music]

1292
00:48:06,390 --> 00:48:05,760
propellers jet engines

1293
00:48:09,349 --> 00:48:06,400
it

1294
00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:09,359
hovers silently move very slowly

1295
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:11,440
if you look at at the image there's no

1296
00:48:15,829 --> 00:48:13,920
mistaking that for anything

1297
00:48:17,270 --> 00:48:15,839
that's either in the u.s soviet or

1298
00:48:18,829 --> 00:48:17,280
civilian

1299
00:48:21,670 --> 00:48:18,839
inventory

1300
00:48:24,549 --> 00:48:21,680
um so so that's that's one thing it was

1301
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:24,559
very clear uh that it was uh an alien

1302
00:48:28,630 --> 00:48:27,599
spaceship interstellar is is a different

1303
00:48:30,390 --> 00:48:28,640
question

1304
00:48:33,510 --> 00:48:30,400
um

1305
00:48:35,670 --> 00:48:33,520
thing came from somewhere and it wasn't

1306
00:48:37,589 --> 00:48:35,680
earth so uh

1307
00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:37,599
is it from another planet in our solar

1308
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:39,839
system probably not you know at this

1309
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:41,680
time in 92

1310
00:48:45,589 --> 00:48:43,760
uh we were pretty sure that there was no

1311
00:48:47,829 --> 00:48:45,599
life on mars that was kind of a new

1312
00:48:50,790 --> 00:48:47,839
thing that that was that was proven we

1313
00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:50,800
always we we'd known for for a while but

1314
00:48:55,349 --> 00:48:52,640
it had only recently been proven that

1315
00:48:57,430 --> 00:48:55,359
there was probably no life on mars and

1316
00:48:59,349 --> 00:48:57,440
therefore probably no life on any other

1317
00:49:01,670 --> 00:48:59,359
planet in our solar system so if this

1318
00:49:03,270 --> 00:49:01,680
thing came from another planet

1319
00:49:05,510 --> 00:49:03,280
you know it's got to be from from

1320
00:49:08,710 --> 00:49:05,520
somewhere outside of our solar system

1321
00:49:11,109 --> 00:49:08,720
but i didn't have any uh proof of that

1322
00:49:13,670 --> 00:49:11,119
until i reconnected with mike a few

1323
00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:13,680
years ago like the other witness

1324
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:15,119
and um

1325
00:49:19,109 --> 00:49:16,960
mike revealed something to me i that i

1326
00:49:21,270 --> 00:49:19,119
didn't know this this entire time this

1327
00:49:23,030 --> 00:49:21,280
you know almost three decades and he

1328
00:49:24,630 --> 00:49:23,040
said that he was watching it for a lot

1329
00:49:27,990 --> 00:49:24,640
longer than i was

1330
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:28,000
and that um after we got off the the

1331
00:49:31,670 --> 00:49:30,240
field phones with each other he was

1332
00:49:34,390 --> 00:49:31,680
still watching it

1333
00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:34,400
and he saw it uh zip off into space in a

1334
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:36,400
streak of light and that if he had

1335
00:49:40,150 --> 00:49:38,160
blinked he would have missed it

1336
00:49:41,750 --> 00:49:40,160
but uh it was it was there one second

1337
00:49:43,349 --> 00:49:41,760
and then a streak of light like like in

1338
00:49:45,430 --> 00:49:43,359
the movies when you know the millennium

1339
00:49:46,950 --> 00:49:45,440
falcon or any other like spaceship goes

1340
00:49:49,109 --> 00:49:46,960
into hyperspace

1341
00:49:51,510 --> 00:49:49,119
streak of lightning was gone and that

1342
00:49:53,829 --> 00:49:51,520
blew my mind because i had you know for

1343
00:49:57,190 --> 00:49:53,839
decades i had this this

1344
00:49:58,390 --> 00:49:57,200
storyline this this narrative in my head

1345
00:50:00,069 --> 00:49:58,400
of what happened

1346
00:50:02,150 --> 00:50:00,079
and and when mike told me that i was

1347
00:50:04,630 --> 00:50:02,160
like you're kidding me that's like a

1348
00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:04,640
whole new plot twist to the to this

1349
00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:07,119
thing it's incredible

1350
00:50:11,670 --> 00:50:09,680
right yeah and you know

1351
00:50:13,270 --> 00:50:11,680
i i think that's kind of the most common

1352
00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:13,280
thing you hear

1353
00:50:17,109 --> 00:50:15,839
about any of these sightings is you know

1354
00:50:18,630 --> 00:50:17,119
in the end it's

1355
00:50:20,790 --> 00:50:18,640
shoots off

1356
00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:20,800
you know i mean that's it and some say

1357
00:50:25,430 --> 00:50:22,880
it or it disappears

1358
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:25,440
that's another thing you hear commonly

1359
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:26,880
as well

1360
00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:28,960
um yeah and and i didn't know what was

1361
00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:30,720
going to happen i watched it for for

1362
00:50:34,870 --> 00:50:32,640
quite a while after it had

1363
00:50:36,870 --> 00:50:34,880
you know left the um

1364
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:36,880
the area that i was in and you know when

1365
00:50:41,109 --> 00:50:39,520
it was close by i was bolted to that to

1366
00:50:43,349 --> 00:50:41,119
the bench i was on i didn't want to get

1367
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:43,359
up and move at all i was afraid it was

1368
00:50:47,349 --> 00:50:44,640
you know someone was going to see me in

1369
00:50:48,069 --> 00:50:47,359
there uh but after it started to kind of

1370
00:50:50,950 --> 00:50:48,079
get

1371
00:50:51,990 --> 00:50:50,960
a little bit uh away from me um over the

1372
00:50:53,670 --> 00:50:52,000
trees

1373
00:50:56,150 --> 00:50:53,680
uh i was afraid that it might circle

1374
00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:56,160
back around and come over over uh top so

1375
00:51:11,670 --> 00:50:56,880
i

1376
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:11,680
further away

1377
00:51:16,230 --> 00:51:14,160
uh it was blending in with the sky more

1378
00:51:19,270 --> 00:51:16,240
and more and it was getting hard to see

1379
00:51:21,430 --> 00:51:19,280
and um you know i had mike and i had

1380
00:51:23,270 --> 00:51:21,440
been planning on syncing up at 11 30

1381
00:51:25,349 --> 00:51:23,280
picking up our field phones and checking

1382
00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:25,359
in on each other i did not want to miss

1383
00:51:29,910 --> 00:51:28,319
that call because you know

1384
00:51:32,630 --> 00:51:29,920
i had i had to talk to somebody about

1385
00:51:34,309 --> 00:51:32,640
this i had to see if he saw what i saw

1386
00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:34,319
and um

1387
00:51:39,430 --> 00:51:37,440
so at 11 27 i i uh i stopped watching

1388
00:51:40,309 --> 00:51:39,440
and i i went went back to the to the

1389
00:51:43,589 --> 00:51:40,319
bench

1390
00:51:45,349 --> 00:51:43,599
uh to uh to sit by the phone uh so i

1391
00:51:48,230 --> 00:51:45,359
would have missed the call with mike uh

1392
00:51:49,829 --> 00:51:48,240
in hindsight um you know maybe i should

1393
00:51:51,430 --> 00:51:49,839
have stood there a little bit longer and

1394
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:51,440
continued to watch it maybe i would have

1395
00:51:55,270 --> 00:51:53,440
seen a zip off into space

1396
00:51:57,750 --> 00:51:55,280
but i i was

1397
00:51:59,670 --> 00:51:57,760
you know so freaked out about this and

1398
00:52:01,750 --> 00:51:59,680
and you know

1399
00:52:02,829 --> 00:52:01,760
i i think i was thinking pretty clearly

1400
00:52:05,990 --> 00:52:02,839
but

1401
00:52:08,230 --> 00:52:06,000
uh you know i i i wanted to get back to

1402
00:52:10,390 --> 00:52:08,240
the safety what what i i felt was the

1403
00:52:12,470 --> 00:52:10,400
safety of that bench where i had the

1404
00:52:14,630 --> 00:52:12,480
woods behind me and and uh you know i

1405
00:52:16,630 --> 00:52:14,640
could see in front of me and it just

1406
00:52:20,309 --> 00:52:16,640
felt safer there

1407
00:52:22,390 --> 00:52:20,319
yeah um did you feel when this thing

1408
00:52:24,870 --> 00:52:22,400
this thing did not go over you you saw

1409
00:52:27,829 --> 00:52:24,880
it from a distance to your side is that

1410
00:52:29,990 --> 00:52:27,839
correct yeah it was i i i say within a

1411
00:52:33,270 --> 00:52:30,000
hundred yards because if if the uh if

1412
00:52:35,990 --> 00:52:33,280
the clearing was we'll say 220 by 220

1413
00:52:38,230 --> 00:52:36,000
uh and it was right over the trees uh j

1414
00:52:40,390 --> 00:52:38,240
you know uh on the edge of the clearing

1415
00:52:42,309 --> 00:52:40,400
then you know it was uh you know less

1416
00:52:45,109 --> 00:52:42,319
than a hundred yards from me

1417
00:52:46,230 --> 00:52:45,119
uh and it stayed at that same

1418
00:52:48,069 --> 00:52:46,240
you know

1419
00:52:49,750 --> 00:52:48,079
about that same distance i guess it

1420
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:49,760
probably got a little bit closer to me

1421
00:52:54,710 --> 00:52:52,720
because uh it was a square

1422
00:52:56,470 --> 00:52:54,720
area that i was in but it was about the

1423
00:52:59,349 --> 00:52:56,480
same distance the whole time

1424
00:53:02,150 --> 00:52:59,359
would you want to guess speculate on the

1425
00:53:04,790 --> 00:53:02,160
height of the object

1426
00:53:06,870 --> 00:53:04,800
yeah you know i've i've guessed uh that

1427
00:53:09,270 --> 00:53:06,880
it could have been as high as 50 feet

1428
00:53:11,270 --> 00:53:09,280
but uh it's it's it's hard to say and

1429
00:53:13,270 --> 00:53:11,280
i'm i'm you know

1430
00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:13,280
this is me looking back trying to figure

1431
00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:15,040
that out sure

1432
00:53:19,589 --> 00:53:16,480
based on

1433
00:53:22,390 --> 00:53:19,599
its length and the proportions of of you

1434
00:53:25,030 --> 00:53:22,400
know how high it looked compared to

1435
00:53:26,069 --> 00:53:25,040
uh what i knew about the the area that i

1436
00:53:27,270 --> 00:53:26,079
was in

1437
00:53:29,670 --> 00:53:27,280
um

1438
00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:29,680
you know maybe it wasn't 50 maybe it was

1439
00:53:33,910 --> 00:53:31,760
30. it was it was big

1440
00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:33,920
and would you want to speculate about

1441
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:36,720
the height of the windows

1442
00:53:42,230 --> 00:53:38,640
well they were um

1443
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:42,240
you know a good uh portion of the of the

1444
00:53:45,910 --> 00:53:43,920
the nose of it

1445
00:53:47,510 --> 00:53:45,920
so

1446
00:53:49,829 --> 00:53:47,520
10 15

1447
00:53:54,390 --> 00:53:52,230
usually 10 or 15 feet yeah yeah i could

1448
00:53:57,109 --> 00:53:54,400
get i i could guess that and you know

1449
00:53:59,109 --> 00:53:57,119
the windows are always the bizarre part

1450
00:54:01,270 --> 00:53:59,119
you know and you hear

1451
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:01,280
uh circular windows you know like

1452
00:54:06,390 --> 00:54:04,000
portholes and you you're you hear people

1453
00:54:08,309 --> 00:54:06,400
describe all all these different things

1454
00:54:10,630 --> 00:54:08,319
and a lot of times they'll describe

1455
00:54:13,670 --> 00:54:10,640
seeing movement or

1456
00:54:16,870 --> 00:54:13,680
you know uh some people have described

1457
00:54:18,870 --> 00:54:16,880
beings as hard as that is to swallow

1458
00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:18,880
i have a friend who who saw something

1459
00:54:24,390 --> 00:54:21,440
like that the ship like flew right up to

1460
00:54:27,270 --> 00:54:24,400
her and she saw somebody inside

1461
00:54:29,030 --> 00:54:27,280
and i actually recorded a uh

1462
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:29,040
an interview with her

1463
00:54:34,790 --> 00:54:32,160
uh and have uh

1464
00:54:36,710 --> 00:54:34,800
not wanted to take the time to edit it

1465
00:54:38,870 --> 00:54:36,720
and put the whole thing together even

1466
00:54:41,910 --> 00:54:38,880
though it's a great story it's

1467
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:41,920
and very compelling she's really uh uh

1468
00:54:46,549 --> 00:54:44,160
um

1469
00:54:48,549 --> 00:54:46,559
you know reputable and and uh this is

1470
00:54:50,390 --> 00:54:48,559
someone who who you know produces a tv

1471
00:54:51,349 --> 00:54:50,400
show

1472
00:54:53,270 --> 00:54:51,359
so

1473
00:54:54,630 --> 00:54:53,280
i i probably should get this thing on my

1474
00:54:56,710 --> 00:54:54,640
youtube channel but it's a really

1475
00:54:58,870 --> 00:54:56,720
incredible story she saw somebody inside

1476
00:55:01,109 --> 00:54:58,880
this thing yeah um i would like to be

1477
00:55:03,829 --> 00:55:01,119
notified when that's on your channel by

1478
00:55:06,549 --> 00:55:03,839
the way i subscribe to it today and uh

1479
00:55:08,789 --> 00:55:06,559
we're ready to go into break right now

1480
00:55:10,710 --> 00:55:08,799
and as we go into break we're going to

1481
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:10,720
be playing a clip that you did an

1482
00:55:14,710 --> 00:55:13,200
interview with lou elizondo and we're

1483
00:55:16,630 --> 00:55:14,720
going to be playing that and at the very

1484
00:55:17,510 --> 00:55:16,640
end of that clip and also in the show

1485
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:17,520
notes

1486
00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:20,400
is the link to your youtube channel

1487
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:23,040
so hang in everyone over at kgr radio

1488
00:55:25,730 --> 00:55:24,720
we'll be right back right after these

1489
00:55:30,150 --> 00:55:25,740
messages

1490
00:55:36,390 --> 00:55:32,390
hello everyone it's my honor and

1491
00:55:38,150 --> 00:55:36,400
privilege to welcome mr lou elizondo uh

1492
00:55:39,750 --> 00:55:38,160
one of the greatest forces in the ufo

1493
00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:39,760
community right now

1494
00:55:42,309 --> 00:55:41,440
and um

1495
00:55:44,789 --> 00:55:42,319
uh

1496
00:55:46,390 --> 00:55:44,799
you know someone who's really helped to

1497
00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:46,400
destigmatize

1498
00:55:51,750 --> 00:55:48,640
the ufo phenomenon

1499
00:55:53,109 --> 00:55:51,760
by bringing forth credible uh

1500
00:55:54,710 --> 00:55:53,119
eyewitnesses

1501
00:55:56,470 --> 00:55:54,720
video evidence

1502
00:55:58,230 --> 00:55:56,480
of ufo encounters

1503
00:56:01,270 --> 00:55:58,240
and i'd like to introduce you to my

1504
00:56:02,950 --> 00:56:01,280
friend mr lou elizondo

1505
00:56:04,230 --> 00:56:02,960
morden uh david thank you very much for

1506
00:56:06,390 --> 00:56:04,240
having me and actually the honor and

1507
00:56:08,549 --> 00:56:06,400
privilege is mine you know when i

1508
00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:08,559
when i first uh had the ability to meet

1509
00:56:12,069 --> 00:56:10,480
you in person you know i there was a

1510
00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:12,079
whole bunch of questions i wanted to ask

1511
00:56:19,270 --> 00:56:12,960
you

1512
00:56:21,589 --> 00:56:19,280
somebody face to face

1513
00:56:24,150 --> 00:56:21,599
and it was very very

1514
00:56:25,510 --> 00:56:24,160
apparent um from

1515
00:56:27,990 --> 00:56:25,520
from everybody's perspective very

1516
00:56:30,870 --> 00:56:28,000
quickly that you are a very serious

1517
00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:30,880
no-nonsense kind of guy and uh you know

1518
00:56:35,190 --> 00:56:33,040
you you served your country honorably

1519
00:56:37,349 --> 00:56:35,200
and and i think

1520
00:56:40,069 --> 00:56:37,359
uh to some degree you're still serving

1521
00:56:42,150 --> 00:56:40,079
our country uh maybe not directly as a

1522
00:56:43,750 --> 00:56:42,160
you know uniform military service member

1523
00:56:45,510 --> 00:56:43,760
but you are

1524
00:56:48,309 --> 00:56:45,520
you are continuing with the mission that

1525
00:56:50,390 --> 00:56:48,319
you started and that is to be

1526
00:56:52,630 --> 00:56:50,400
honest and patriotic towards your

1527
00:56:55,190 --> 00:56:52,640
country and and you know always always

1528
00:56:56,870 --> 00:56:55,200
tell the truth uh and i think in this

1529
00:56:59,030 --> 00:56:56,880
regard you know this is certainly no

1530
00:57:00,789 --> 00:56:59,040
exception you were very impressive your

1531
00:57:04,230 --> 00:57:00,799
background's very impressive

1532
00:57:06,390 --> 00:57:04,240
uh and um you know it's honestly one one

1533
00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:06,400
hell of a story uh that was by the way

1534
00:57:09,589 --> 00:57:07,680
let's not forget

1535
00:57:11,589 --> 00:57:09,599
backed up by somebody who you hadn't

1536
00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:11,599
talked to in nearly 20 years

1537
00:57:14,789 --> 00:57:13,440
and trying to find a witness that can

1538
00:57:16,230 --> 00:57:14,799
come back and even remember something

1539
00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:16,240
after 20 years you know hell i'm not

1540
00:57:20,150 --> 00:57:17,280
sure if i can remember something 10

1541
00:57:21,430 --> 00:57:20,160
minutes ago and yet you know that person

1542
00:57:23,190 --> 00:57:21,440
came up and said yeah this actually

1543
00:57:25,349 --> 00:57:23,200
happened and honestly i recanted my

1544
00:57:27,190 --> 00:57:25,359
story because i saw the crap in the

1545
00:57:28,230 --> 00:57:27,200
grief that that david was getting and

1546
00:57:30,549 --> 00:57:28,240
you know i didn't want to be part of

1547
00:57:32,549 --> 00:57:30,559
that but now after 20 years i had this

1548
00:57:34,789 --> 00:57:32,559
enormous amount of regret for not

1549
00:57:36,069 --> 00:57:34,799
sticking to my guns and just just

1550
00:57:38,470 --> 00:57:36,079
you know telling the world the truth of

1551
00:57:40,069 --> 00:57:38,480
what i saw and you did you did stick to

1552
00:57:42,789 --> 00:57:40,079
your guns and you never wavered you

1553
00:57:44,549 --> 00:57:42,799
never changed and i think you know

1554
00:57:46,710 --> 00:57:44,559
what was so compelling to me is that in

1555
00:57:48,150 --> 00:57:46,720
the one episode we kept that quote of

1556
00:57:50,870 --> 00:57:48,160
yours where you said nobody wants to be

1557
00:57:52,710 --> 00:57:50,880
known as that quote-unquote ufo boy and

1558
00:57:55,190 --> 00:57:52,720
you're absolutely right i mean i i don't

1559
00:57:57,109 --> 00:57:55,200
want to be known as that and uh

1560
00:57:58,950 --> 00:57:57,119
you know i i especially when you have a

1561
00:58:01,030 --> 00:57:58,960
serious career and you know a lot of

1562
00:58:02,549 --> 00:58:01,040
responsibilities so again i guess in

1563
00:58:04,069 --> 00:58:02,559
short thank you very much for having me

1564
00:58:04,950 --> 00:58:04,079
it's really my honor and privilege to be

1565
00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:04,960
here

1566
00:58:08,230 --> 00:58:06,720
thanks laura i appreciate that and i

1567
00:58:10,470 --> 00:58:08,240
really wanted this to be all about you

1568
00:58:11,750 --> 00:58:10,480
but i've been told never interrupt

1569
00:58:12,549 --> 00:58:11,760
someone when they're complimenting you

1570
00:58:19,270 --> 00:58:12,559
so

1571
00:58:24,630 --> 00:58:21,990
all right welcome back uh my guest

1572
00:58:26,789 --> 00:58:24,640
tonight is david marceau and we are

1573
00:58:29,190 --> 00:58:26,799
having an interesting discussion

1574
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:29,200
about a sighting and we're ready for our

1575
00:58:33,109 --> 00:58:30,480
two in the last

1576
00:58:35,510 --> 00:58:33,119
half hour we're going to take calls so

1577
00:58:37,270 --> 00:58:35,520
i'll get your questions ready bill will

1578
00:58:39,750 --> 00:58:37,280
be standing by to

1579
00:58:42,150 --> 00:58:39,760
to screen those calls and to get you up

1580
00:58:43,030 --> 00:58:42,160
on the air

1581
00:58:45,030 --> 00:58:43,040
so

1582
00:58:46,950 --> 00:58:45,040
since this happened to you

1583
00:58:49,510 --> 00:58:46,960
have you looked into other

1584
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:49,520
ufo sightings like the nimitz and other

1585
00:58:53,829 --> 00:58:51,359
military sightings are

1586
00:58:55,910 --> 00:58:53,839
what have you looked into

1587
00:58:57,109 --> 00:58:55,920
yeah so um

1588
00:58:59,670 --> 00:58:57,119
before

1589
00:59:03,430 --> 00:58:59,680
i started my blog i had really no

1590
00:59:05,829 --> 00:59:03,440
interest in ufology at all

1591
00:59:08,390 --> 00:59:05,839
it just wasn't something that

1592
00:59:11,030 --> 00:59:10,230
you know first of all i didn't know how

1593
00:59:13,670 --> 00:59:11,040
much

1594
00:59:15,750 --> 00:59:13,680
of a community there was out there until

1595
00:59:16,470 --> 00:59:15,760
i started to to really get involved with

1596
00:59:21,990 --> 00:59:16,480
it

1597
00:59:24,390 --> 00:59:22,000
what um yeah i i i had said in the past

1598
00:59:27,190 --> 00:59:24,400
that that i didn't want to be involved

1599
00:59:29,750 --> 00:59:27,200
with uh you know with the ufo community

1600
00:59:31,750 --> 00:59:29,760
but now that i am uh the people are

1601
00:59:34,789 --> 00:59:31,760
great and most people really just want

1602
00:59:36,069 --> 00:59:34,799
to uh you know get at the truth and and

1603
00:59:37,750 --> 00:59:36,079
um

1604
00:59:39,829 --> 00:59:37,760
you know uh

1605
00:59:43,030 --> 00:59:39,839
get some formal recognition of what's

1606
00:59:48,549 --> 00:59:43,040
happening uh just just like i always had

1607
00:59:48,559 --> 00:59:55,270
you know i i think that um

1608
00:59:59,430 --> 00:59:57,190
when

1609
01:00:01,990 --> 00:59:59,440
you know we're we're

1610
01:00:07,109 --> 01:00:02,000
talking about just just being involved

1611
01:00:12,470 --> 01:00:09,349
yeah help help me out here okay sure

1612
01:00:14,390 --> 01:00:12,480
yeah uh no no i i get it i understand

1613
01:00:15,670 --> 01:00:14,400
that uh you know the people in the

1614
01:00:18,069 --> 01:00:15,680
community

1615
01:00:20,230 --> 01:00:18,079
do want to help for the most part we all

1616
01:00:21,750 --> 01:00:20,240
do want to

1617
01:00:23,829 --> 01:00:21,760
you know figure this whole thing out

1618
01:00:26,630 --> 01:00:23,839
that's why i've been doing this we're in

1619
01:00:28,549 --> 01:00:26,640
10 years now coming up to 10 years

1620
01:00:30,390 --> 01:00:28,559
in just a couple of months

1621
01:00:34,069 --> 01:00:30,400
and uh i've said a number of times on

1622
01:00:35,670 --> 01:00:34,079
this show that i probably know less now

1623
01:00:38,230 --> 01:00:35,680
than when i started

1624
01:00:41,910 --> 01:00:38,240
because it is a big question mark

1625
01:00:43,589 --> 01:00:41,920
and uh i have a friend who's a filmmaker

1626
01:00:44,950 --> 01:00:43,599
dean aliotto

1627
01:00:46,950 --> 01:00:44,960
and uh

1628
01:00:49,910 --> 01:00:46,960
he has a great one you know maybe we're

1629
01:00:51,349 --> 01:00:49,920
just not asking the right questions

1630
01:00:52,870 --> 01:00:51,359
and so you know what do you think of

1631
01:00:55,430 --> 01:00:52,880
that i mean

1632
01:00:56,470 --> 01:00:55,440
yeah well uh we're definitely not and

1633
01:00:58,789 --> 01:00:56,480
and

1634
01:01:00,950 --> 01:00:58,799
one of the first conclusions i came to

1635
01:01:02,710 --> 01:01:00,960
uh when i started the blog was

1636
01:01:04,390 --> 01:01:02,720
uh that the uh

1637
01:01:07,030 --> 01:01:04,400
you know and i was looking for things to

1638
01:01:08,390 --> 01:01:07,040
write about and i came across the fermi

1639
01:01:11,349 --> 01:01:08,400
paradox

1640
01:01:13,190 --> 01:01:11,359
and and so uh

1641
01:01:15,109 --> 01:01:13,200
you know you've got all the responses to

1642
01:01:16,789 --> 01:01:15,119
that of you know things like the zoo

1643
01:01:18,309 --> 01:01:16,799
hypothesis

1644
01:01:21,670 --> 01:01:18,319
and uh

1645
01:01:25,190 --> 01:01:21,680
you know um what's the one where uh all

1646
01:01:27,430 --> 01:01:25,200
life uh the extinction um hypothesis

1647
01:01:29,030 --> 01:01:27,440
where we're the only ones left

1648
01:01:31,589 --> 01:01:29,040
um yeah

1649
01:01:34,069 --> 01:01:31,599
and and one but one by one i picked all

1650
01:01:35,670 --> 01:01:34,079
of those off and and said well this

1651
01:01:38,789 --> 01:01:35,680
one's not true this is not true this is

1652
01:01:40,950 --> 01:01:38,799
not not true because i i saw

1653
01:01:42,230 --> 01:01:40,960
one of their ships somebody

1654
01:01:45,190 --> 01:01:42,240
came here

1655
01:01:46,309 --> 01:01:45,200
and uh if there's one it can't be just

1656
01:01:50,150 --> 01:01:46,319
one

1657
01:01:52,150 --> 01:01:50,160
i you know i i couldn't uh yeah uh i i

1658
01:01:53,430 --> 01:01:52,160
can't i knew that i couldn't all these

1659
01:01:55,430 --> 01:01:53,440
years before i knew that there were

1660
01:01:57,270 --> 01:01:55,440
other sightings i knew i couldn't be the

1661
01:01:59,190 --> 01:01:57,280
only person in the world that had an

1662
01:02:00,710 --> 01:01:59,200
experience like that

1663
01:02:02,150 --> 01:02:00,720
and there can't be just one ship from

1664
01:02:04,230 --> 01:02:02,160
one planet

1665
01:02:06,789 --> 01:02:04,240
uh and and i think we kind of get a

1666
01:02:08,390 --> 01:02:06,799
little myopic about that and and think

1667
01:02:09,750 --> 01:02:08,400
that you know there's just one other

1668
01:02:12,309 --> 01:02:09,760
planet out there in just one type of

1669
01:02:15,190 --> 01:02:12,319
spaceship i think you know the

1670
01:02:17,270 --> 01:02:15,200
i've never seen the ship that i saw in

1671
01:02:18,789 --> 01:02:17,280
any kind of chart or any other you know

1672
01:02:21,029 --> 01:02:18,799
reports anywhere

1673
01:02:23,349 --> 01:02:21,039
uh there's dozens if not hundreds of

1674
01:02:24,950 --> 01:02:23,359
different uh size and shape ships that

1675
01:02:26,309 --> 01:02:24,960
the people have seen

1676
01:02:28,230 --> 01:02:26,319
so uh

1677
01:02:31,589 --> 01:02:28,240
they're they're coming from all over the

1678
01:02:34,549 --> 01:02:31,599
place i think that the the universe is

1679
01:02:36,470 --> 01:02:34,559
teeming with intelligent life and so

1680
01:02:38,150 --> 01:02:36,480
yeah we are asking the wrong question

1681
01:02:39,190 --> 01:02:38,160
and the question is not where is

1682
01:02:41,109 --> 01:02:39,200
everybody

1683
01:02:42,230 --> 01:02:41,119
they're here the question is why are

1684
01:02:44,870 --> 01:02:42,240
they hiding

1685
01:02:46,710 --> 01:02:44,880
and and i you know uh stroke my own ego

1686
01:02:48,630 --> 01:02:46,720
here a little bit when i i call that the

1687
01:02:51,109 --> 01:02:48,640
marceau paradox

1688
01:02:54,390 --> 01:02:51,119
because uh i i think i'm the first one

1689
01:02:56,069 --> 01:02:54,400
to to have asked it uh you know it's not

1690
01:02:57,270 --> 01:02:56,079
why are they uh

1691
01:02:59,109 --> 01:02:57,280
where is everyone but why are they

1692
01:03:01,750 --> 01:02:59,119
hiding

1693
01:03:05,109 --> 01:03:01,760
yeah that that is uh there's a lot of

1694
01:03:07,349 --> 01:03:05,119
talk about that and and uh

1695
01:03:10,150 --> 01:03:07,359
you know one of the things i think is is

1696
01:03:11,750 --> 01:03:10,160
pretty profound you know someone just

1697
01:03:13,589 --> 01:03:11,760
call i think someone called in a while

1698
01:03:15,750 --> 01:03:13,599
back and you know i've heard it it seems

1699
01:03:17,190 --> 01:03:15,760
like i've heard it several times since

1700
01:03:19,670 --> 01:03:17,200
and that is uh

1701
01:03:22,150 --> 01:03:19,680
why on earth would they have

1702
01:03:23,990 --> 01:03:22,160
uh lights you know there's no reason for

1703
01:03:25,510 --> 01:03:24,000
them to have lights do they have lights

1704
01:03:28,470 --> 01:03:25,520
because they want us

1705
01:03:30,470 --> 01:03:28,480
to see them you know or or you know

1706
01:03:32,789 --> 01:03:30,480
that's what i that's that's what i i

1707
01:03:34,390 --> 01:03:32,799
think more and more uh because

1708
01:03:36,230 --> 01:03:34,400
you know at first

1709
01:03:37,910 --> 01:03:36,240
uh i i

1710
01:03:39,589 --> 01:03:37,920
assumed that they were either headlights

1711
01:03:40,950 --> 01:03:39,599
or windows and that's what i thought for

1712
01:03:43,910 --> 01:03:40,960
for many years

1713
01:03:46,069 --> 01:03:43,920
um and and more recently i i thought

1714
01:03:48,390 --> 01:03:46,079
well why why would they need to look out

1715
01:03:50,789 --> 01:03:48,400
a window you know we have cars with

1716
01:03:53,109 --> 01:03:50,799
backup cameras yeah

1717
01:03:55,349 --> 01:03:53,119
what what what use would they have for

1718
01:03:59,029 --> 01:03:55,359
lights or windows um

1719
01:04:01,029 --> 01:03:59,039
so i my my latest uh thought on that is

1720
01:04:04,789 --> 01:04:01,039
maybe it's something some other kind of

1721
01:04:07,029 --> 01:04:04,799
technology that we don't understand uh

1722
01:04:09,349 --> 01:04:07,039
you know if you go back a thousand years

1723
01:04:11,430 --> 01:04:09,359
and and show someone uh

1724
01:04:12,710 --> 01:04:11,440
uh a cell phone

1725
01:04:19,190 --> 01:04:12,720
uh

1726
01:04:21,349 --> 01:04:19,200
based on their understanding of how the

1727
01:04:23,510 --> 01:04:21,359
world worked at the time or even even

1728
01:04:24,950 --> 01:04:23,520
back a hundred years ago

1729
01:04:27,670 --> 01:04:24,960
uh they wouldn't understand what it was

1730
01:04:29,029 --> 01:04:27,680
so i i think you know lately that the

1731
01:04:30,069 --> 01:04:29,039
the lights on the front of this thing

1732
01:04:32,470 --> 01:04:30,079
were

1733
01:04:33,829 --> 01:04:32,480
something we we can't understand

1734
01:04:35,910 --> 01:04:33,839
yeah i think that's a pretty good way of

1735
01:04:38,309 --> 01:04:35,920
putting it myself i'm going to show a

1736
01:04:39,270 --> 01:04:38,319
picture here because this is the first

1737
01:04:41,670 --> 01:04:39,280
image

1738
01:04:43,990 --> 01:04:41,680
that we have of another solar system

1739
01:04:44,870 --> 01:04:44,000
this just uh i think was released last

1740
01:04:47,510 --> 01:04:44,880
week

1741
01:04:49,029 --> 01:04:47,520
um and i'm not sure we're i do believe

1742
01:04:51,829 --> 01:04:49,039
that we are going to see more of that

1743
01:04:55,190 --> 01:04:53,510
what is the name of the telescope that's

1744
01:04:58,630 --> 01:04:55,200
going up uh

1745
01:05:01,670 --> 01:04:58,640
fairly soon i actually saw it in person

1746
01:05:03,510 --> 01:05:01,680
myself james webb um telescope when that

1747
01:05:06,390 --> 01:05:03,520
goes up i think we're going to be seeing

1748
01:05:09,190 --> 01:05:06,400
a lot of a lot more images like that and

1749
01:05:09,990 --> 01:05:09,200
you know i mean if you think about it

1750
01:05:12,789 --> 01:05:10,000
the

1751
01:05:13,670 --> 01:05:12,799
possibility of intelligent life is just

1752
01:05:16,950 --> 01:05:13,680
so

1753
01:05:18,069 --> 01:05:16,960
extremely high it's it's it's hard to

1754
01:05:20,950 --> 01:05:18,079
uh

1755
01:05:23,829 --> 01:05:20,960
see today where any intelligent

1756
01:05:26,150 --> 01:05:23,839
scientists or any intelligent person

1757
01:05:27,750 --> 01:05:26,160
would deny that fact that there

1758
01:05:29,510 --> 01:05:27,760
must be intelligent life it's it's

1759
01:05:32,390 --> 01:05:29,520
amazing how

1760
01:05:35,589 --> 01:05:32,400
close-minded the scientific and academic

1761
01:05:37,270 --> 01:05:35,599
communities are to all of this because

1762
01:05:39,750 --> 01:05:37,280
and and this is something i've i've

1763
01:05:40,789 --> 01:05:39,760
written several blog articles about

1764
01:05:43,190 --> 01:05:40,799
how

1765
01:05:45,349 --> 01:05:43,200
the the best minds

1766
01:05:48,470 --> 01:05:45,359
uh are ignoring this the people who are

1767
01:05:51,430 --> 01:05:48,480
most well equipped to be studying this

1768
01:05:53,510 --> 01:05:51,440
and uh you know documenting it are the

1769
01:05:56,470 --> 01:05:53,520
ones that refuse to touch it

1770
01:05:57,910 --> 01:05:56,480
and it's because of uh for for one thing

1771
01:06:01,430 --> 01:05:57,920
that um

1772
01:06:03,750 --> 01:06:01,440
it doesn't fit the uh uh

1773
01:06:04,870 --> 01:06:03,760
any any scientific models uh you know

1774
01:06:08,390 --> 01:06:04,880
you can't

1775
01:06:10,150 --> 01:06:08,400
have a repeatable process right so uh if

1776
01:06:11,430 --> 01:06:10,160
you can't have a repeatable process it's

1777
01:06:14,230 --> 01:06:11,440
not something you could test it's not

1778
01:06:16,390 --> 01:06:14,240
something you can peer review so uh it

1779
01:06:18,230 --> 01:06:16,400
doesn't make sense for them to to want

1780
01:06:20,069 --> 01:06:18,240
to study it the other thing is is the

1781
01:06:22,710 --> 01:06:20,079
same thing that the military folks

1782
01:06:25,910 --> 01:06:22,720
experience and that's the the ridicule

1783
01:06:29,589 --> 01:06:25,920
if you're an academic who has spent uh

1784
01:06:32,470 --> 01:06:29,599
you know probably decades uh doing study

1785
01:06:34,789 --> 01:06:32,480
and and uh you know writing uh papers

1786
01:06:37,589 --> 01:06:34,799
and books and and and uh you know got

1787
01:06:39,589 --> 01:06:37,599
your phd and you you've uh you know

1788
01:06:41,510 --> 01:06:39,599
risen up through the ranks in in your

1789
01:06:44,150 --> 01:06:41,520
academic community you're not gonna

1790
01:06:45,589 --> 01:06:44,160
stick your neck out and be the weird ufo

1791
01:06:46,470 --> 01:06:45,599
guy

1792
01:06:47,750 --> 01:06:46,480
because

1793
01:06:50,470 --> 01:06:47,760
once you do

1794
01:06:52,789 --> 01:06:50,480
no one will ever want to do any kind of

1795
01:06:54,630 --> 01:06:52,799
joint work with you no one's going to

1796
01:06:55,829 --> 01:06:54,640
you know sponsor you for anything you're

1797
01:06:57,750 --> 01:06:55,839
not going to get any funding for

1798
01:07:00,470 --> 01:06:57,760
anything you're you're dead in the

1799
01:07:01,510 --> 01:07:00,480
academic community so nobody wants to to

1800
01:07:03,750 --> 01:07:01,520
risk it

1801
01:07:05,029 --> 01:07:03,760
well i i think of uh we had a guest on

1802
01:07:06,630 --> 01:07:05,039
foreign you probably have heard this

1803
01:07:08,069 --> 01:07:06,640
name avi loeb

1804
01:07:09,670 --> 01:07:08,079
yeah the harvard yes

1805
01:07:12,309 --> 01:07:09,680
there's

1806
01:07:14,470 --> 01:07:12,319
i've written about him and really uh you

1807
01:07:16,069 --> 01:07:14,480
know put him on a pedestal because

1808
01:07:18,470 --> 01:07:16,079
uh

1809
01:07:21,430 --> 01:07:18,480
he he's not afraid to

1810
01:07:24,390 --> 01:07:21,440
i mean now granted he's in a position

1811
01:07:25,990 --> 01:07:24,400
where he has some leeway to to stick his

1812
01:07:27,750 --> 01:07:26,000
neck out i mean he's the head of the of

1813
01:07:29,190 --> 01:07:27,760
the department where he's at

1814
01:07:31,029 --> 01:07:29,200
10 years

1815
01:07:31,990 --> 01:07:31,039
one of the most prestigious schools in

1816
01:07:32,789 --> 01:07:32,000
the world

1817
01:07:34,789 --> 01:07:32,799
so

1818
01:07:37,349 --> 01:07:34,799
he can afford to stick his neck out most

1819
01:07:40,150 --> 01:07:37,359
people are are not in his position

1820
01:07:40,950 --> 01:07:40,160
that's right but you know i think

1821
01:07:43,029 --> 01:07:40,960
um

1822
01:07:46,069 --> 01:07:43,039
i i really like he was on last week just

1823
01:07:48,390 --> 01:07:46,079
for a few minutes and i really like his

1824
01:07:50,630 --> 01:07:48,400
attitude to think like a child

1825
01:07:52,710 --> 01:07:50,640
um you know that's what that's where he

1826
01:07:55,029 --> 01:07:52,720
says that we make the most progress you

1827
01:07:57,750 --> 01:07:55,039
know to be open-minded and to look at

1828
01:08:00,630 --> 01:07:57,760
things like a child would the curiosity

1829
01:08:04,069 --> 01:08:00,640
of a child um otherwise you know the the

1830
01:08:05,910 --> 01:08:04,079
stagnation of or we we already know you

1831
01:08:08,950 --> 01:08:05,920
know this is impossible

1832
01:08:10,630 --> 01:08:08,960
we'll set in so um hopefully people will

1833
01:08:12,630 --> 01:08:10,640
take notice of that and more people will

1834
01:08:13,990 --> 01:08:12,640
join the ranks yeah and that's something

1835
01:08:16,309 --> 01:08:14,000
that really holds a lot of people back

1836
01:08:18,550 --> 01:08:16,319
as well i was talking with someone who's

1837
01:08:19,829 --> 01:08:18,560
literally a rocket scientist at one of

1838
01:08:20,950 --> 01:08:19,839
the defense companies here in

1839
01:08:22,470 --> 01:08:20,960
connecticut

1840
01:08:25,510 --> 01:08:22,480
and um

1841
01:08:27,430 --> 01:08:25,520
you know brilliant guy uh and i started

1842
01:08:29,749 --> 01:08:27,440
talking to him about this this ship that

1843
01:08:30,870 --> 01:08:29,759
i saw and you know how how it might have

1844
01:08:33,749 --> 01:08:30,880
gotten here

1845
01:08:36,630 --> 01:08:33,759
and he completely shut the conversation

1846
01:08:39,269 --> 01:08:36,640
down uh said that uh there's no way that

1847
01:08:41,110 --> 01:08:39,279
anyone from any other solar systems can

1848
01:08:42,630 --> 01:08:41,120
get here he wasn't trying to say that

1849
01:08:44,309 --> 01:08:42,640
maybe life doesn't exist out there

1850
01:08:46,550 --> 01:08:44,319
intelligent life but that would be

1851
01:08:48,630 --> 01:08:46,560
impossible for them to get here because

1852
01:08:50,950 --> 01:08:48,640
it violates

1853
01:08:55,749 --> 01:08:50,960
einstein and physics

1854
01:08:57,749 --> 01:08:55,759
uh which you know other other uh uh uh

1855
01:08:59,749 --> 01:08:57,759
physicists have have said well no

1856
01:09:00,630 --> 01:08:59,759
actually uh you know relativity allows

1857
01:09:02,470 --> 01:09:00,640
for that

1858
01:09:04,550 --> 01:09:02,480
but this guy just could not

1859
01:09:08,390 --> 01:09:04,560
get past that that that uh you know

1860
01:09:09,189 --> 01:09:08,400
einstein in his mind uh prohibited that

1861
01:09:13,990 --> 01:09:09,199
yeah

1862
01:09:16,550 --> 01:09:14,000
this show that have said skeptics that

1863
01:09:17,590 --> 01:09:16,560
have said something very similar

1864
01:09:23,829 --> 01:09:17,600
the

1865
01:09:25,749 --> 01:09:23,839
nearest star is just

1866
01:09:26,550 --> 01:09:25,759
you can't even wrap your brain around

1867
01:09:28,870 --> 01:09:26,560
how

1868
01:09:30,550 --> 01:09:28,880
far the distance is you know four just

1869
01:09:33,189 --> 01:09:30,560
over four light years away

1870
01:09:35,110 --> 01:09:33,199
is the nearest uh the nearest sun that

1871
01:09:36,789 --> 01:09:35,120
we have um but

1872
01:09:38,870 --> 01:09:36,799
um as i've said a number of times you

1873
01:09:40,709 --> 01:09:38,880
know maybe it's something about

1874
01:09:42,149 --> 01:09:40,719
physics that we haven't discovered yet

1875
01:09:45,269 --> 01:09:42,159
you know and that's that's another thing

1876
01:09:48,070 --> 01:09:45,279
we always think that uh

1877
01:09:49,590 --> 01:09:48,080
we know everything every bit of our

1878
01:09:51,189 --> 01:09:49,600
society always thinks they know

1879
01:09:53,510 --> 01:09:51,199
everything at the time

1880
01:09:55,669 --> 01:09:53,520
it's a they're contemporary living it's

1881
01:09:58,070 --> 01:09:55,679
a yeah it's an anthropocentric uh point

1882
01:10:00,950 --> 01:09:58,080
of view where we think that because we

1883
01:10:02,390 --> 01:10:00,960
haven't figured it out that nobody can

1884
01:10:04,470 --> 01:10:02,400
and that's right and

1885
01:10:06,790 --> 01:10:04,480
you know there are civilizations out

1886
01:10:08,709 --> 01:10:06,800
there and that could be millions of

1887
01:10:10,709 --> 01:10:08,719
years ahead of us think about what we've

1888
01:10:13,110 --> 01:10:10,719
accomplished in you know one or two

1889
01:10:14,950 --> 01:10:13,120
hundred years with flight and and cars

1890
01:10:16,390 --> 01:10:14,960
and computers and everything what if we

1891
01:10:18,070 --> 01:10:16,400
had a million years

1892
01:10:20,149 --> 01:10:18,080
well there's there's probably some

1893
01:10:21,910 --> 01:10:20,159
civilizations out there that could be a

1894
01:10:24,149 --> 01:10:21,920
billion years older than us you know

1895
01:10:26,229 --> 01:10:24,159
they figured it out yeah

1896
01:10:27,830 --> 01:10:26,239
and and as long as they get through the

1897
01:10:29,110 --> 01:10:27,840
uh

1898
01:10:31,430 --> 01:10:29,120
you know

1899
01:10:33,750 --> 01:10:31,440
maybe they won't have the same tribal

1900
01:10:36,870 --> 01:10:33,760
behavior that we have here on this

1901
01:10:39,990 --> 01:10:36,880
planet but if we get through you know

1902
01:10:43,430 --> 01:10:40,000
the next say 100 years without

1903
01:10:44,550 --> 01:10:43,440
destroying ourselves um you know then we

1904
01:10:46,790 --> 01:10:44,560
got a shot

1905
01:10:48,950 --> 01:10:46,800
at uh doing what they're doing you know

1906
01:10:50,310 --> 01:10:48,960
whatever it is you know eventually

1907
01:10:52,390 --> 01:10:50,320
you know the way that technology is

1908
01:10:54,229 --> 01:10:52,400
building and building and

1909
01:10:55,910 --> 01:10:54,239
we could be very close yeah

1910
01:10:58,470 --> 01:10:55,920
yeah you know we've really come a long

1911
01:11:00,550 --> 01:10:58,480
way in a short amount of time

1912
01:11:01,910 --> 01:11:00,560
right right um i think what i'd like to

1913
01:11:03,430 --> 01:11:01,920
do um

1914
01:11:05,590 --> 01:11:03,440
occasionally i'll do this now and then

1915
01:11:08,870 --> 01:11:05,600
i'm gonna see if bill is up for it but

1916
01:11:10,950 --> 01:11:08,880
i'd like to uh i'd like to um

1917
01:11:14,229 --> 01:11:10,960
offer the uh

1918
01:11:15,590 --> 01:11:14,239
the listeners uh a phone call early if

1919
01:11:17,110 --> 01:11:15,600
you'd like to take some phone calls we

1920
01:11:18,709 --> 01:11:17,120
get a lot of callers at it sure

1921
01:11:20,470 --> 01:11:18,719
oftentimes have a really good call so i

1922
01:11:22,229 --> 01:11:20,480
just get a check with bill

1923
01:11:26,470 --> 01:11:22,239
and hopefully you're listening bill are

1924
01:11:30,149 --> 01:11:27,990
um

1925
01:11:32,229 --> 01:11:30,159
that clip that you played uh

1926
01:11:34,070 --> 01:11:32,239
in during the break uh

1927
01:11:35,830 --> 01:11:34,080
was uh it was pretty cool to see i

1928
01:11:36,950 --> 01:11:35,840
haven't watched that uh the interview

1929
01:11:39,030 --> 01:11:36,960
with lou

1930
01:11:41,110 --> 01:11:39,040
um in uh

1931
01:11:44,390 --> 01:11:41,120
probably over a year uh you know

1932
01:11:46,790 --> 01:11:44,400
whenever we made it and uh it's it's a

1933
01:11:48,470 --> 01:11:46,800
little embarrassing because uh you know

1934
01:11:50,950 --> 01:11:48,480
he spends like the first two minutes of

1935
01:11:53,430 --> 01:11:50,960
the interview basically praising me

1936
01:11:54,709 --> 01:11:53,440
and and it wasn't you know it was it was

1937
01:11:56,870 --> 01:11:54,719
unexpected

1938
01:11:58,950 --> 01:11:56,880
um but you know it's kind of cool he's a

1939
01:12:01,669 --> 01:11:58,960
good guy yeah yeah that's nice that he

1940
01:12:04,229 --> 01:12:01,679
did that i mean he i find him uh uh you

1941
01:12:06,149 --> 01:12:04,239
know i i spent a half an hour with him

1942
01:12:07,110 --> 01:12:06,159
in cherry hill i don't know three years

1943
01:12:09,189 --> 01:12:07,120
ago

1944
01:12:12,709 --> 01:12:09,199
uh maybe a little longer whenever that

1945
01:12:15,189 --> 01:12:12,719
was um and i spent a half hour with him

1946
01:12:16,709 --> 01:12:15,199
and after he went his way and i went my

1947
01:12:18,950 --> 01:12:16,719
way i realized we never once talked

1948
01:12:20,790 --> 01:12:18,960
about ufos

1949
01:12:22,310 --> 01:12:20,800
that's pretty yeah it's pretty much what

1950
01:12:24,229 --> 01:12:22,320
what happens when i when i talk with

1951
01:12:26,229 --> 01:12:24,239
them it's always like you know you know

1952
01:12:29,270 --> 01:12:26,239
how's your wife how's the kids

1953
01:12:30,870 --> 01:12:29,280
you know uh we we just we just bs about

1954
01:12:33,830 --> 01:12:30,880
uh you know

1955
01:12:36,390 --> 01:12:33,840
stuff anything other than ufos yeah yeah

1956
01:12:38,630 --> 01:12:36,400
uh he's a he's a regular guy and yeah

1957
01:12:40,550 --> 01:12:38,640
yeah and and a real plus i think a real

1958
01:12:42,790 --> 01:12:40,560
plus to the community and by the way

1959
01:12:44,310 --> 01:12:42,800
he's already scheduled for december

1960
01:12:46,310 --> 01:12:44,320
14th i think it is he's going to come

1961
01:12:49,030 --> 01:12:46,320
back i i have a couple shows that are

1962
01:12:52,229 --> 01:12:49,040
scheduled way out and uh let's see

1963
01:12:53,669 --> 01:12:52,239
uh we have rob on the line uh from

1964
01:12:56,229 --> 01:12:53,679
pennsylvania

1965
01:12:59,510 --> 01:12:56,239
rob you are live and

1966
01:13:01,750 --> 01:12:59,520
uh you were on the show welcome

1967
01:13:04,149 --> 01:13:01,760
hi hey martin hi

1968
01:13:06,390 --> 01:13:04,159
hi uh

1969
01:13:07,830 --> 01:13:06,400
a couple things to say to your guest i

1970
01:13:10,070 --> 01:13:07,840
i just wanted to say so many of the

1971
01:13:12,149 --> 01:13:10,080
things that he said and has been

1972
01:13:13,750 --> 01:13:12,159
thinking about are the same things that

1973
01:13:14,870 --> 01:13:13,760
i think a lot of people

1974
01:13:18,310 --> 01:13:14,880
think about

1975
01:13:20,310 --> 01:13:18,320
when they get into the ufo field

1976
01:13:21,830 --> 01:13:20,320
and i just i think that a lot of the

1977
01:13:23,430 --> 01:13:21,840
problems we have with

1978
01:13:25,110 --> 01:13:23,440
ufology is that there doesn't seem to be

1979
01:13:27,510 --> 01:13:25,120
an organization

1980
01:13:29,189 --> 01:13:27,520
that's trusted and has the authority to

1981
01:13:30,310 --> 01:13:29,199
collect data

1982
01:13:31,430 --> 01:13:30,320
from

1983
01:13:33,590 --> 01:13:31,440
you know any

1984
01:13:36,709 --> 01:13:33,600
people or institutions that are at an

1985
01:13:37,750 --> 01:13:36,719
event where something like this happens

1986
01:13:40,709 --> 01:13:37,760
and uh

1987
01:13:42,950 --> 01:13:40,719
also you know it can be decades

1988
01:13:45,510 --> 01:13:42,960
before an invest investigation happens

1989
01:13:48,310 --> 01:13:45,520
like with the uss minutes and by then a

1990
01:13:51,270 --> 01:13:48,320
lot of the information is cold or

1991
01:13:53,430 --> 01:13:52,470
right so

1992
01:13:54,870 --> 01:13:53,440
yeah

1993
01:13:58,550 --> 01:13:54,880
go ahead

1994
01:14:00,229 --> 01:13:58,560
thought did and did you want to

1995
01:14:02,550 --> 01:14:00,239
pose that interes uh question you're

1996
01:14:04,550 --> 01:14:02,560
just making a point here

1997
01:14:05,910 --> 01:14:04,560
wait i was making a point there

1998
01:14:07,270 --> 01:14:05,920
and um

1999
01:14:08,149 --> 01:14:07,280
i guess too

2000
01:14:09,910 --> 01:14:08,159
um

2001
01:14:12,630 --> 01:14:09,920
i was wondering with where this event

2002
01:14:15,910 --> 01:14:12,640
happened was there any body of water

2003
01:14:18,630 --> 01:14:15,920
nearby a sizable body of water

2004
01:14:21,990 --> 01:14:18,640
yeah there actually was uh and and for a

2005
01:14:24,630 --> 01:14:22,000
long time uh i thought that the ship may

2006
01:14:26,070 --> 01:14:24,640
have come out of uh this body of water

2007
01:14:29,350 --> 01:14:26,080
so uh

2008
01:14:32,229 --> 01:14:29,360
there was a large pond uh not too far

2009
01:14:34,870 --> 01:14:32,239
from our campsite um

2010
01:14:37,350 --> 01:14:34,880
and uh the first week that we were up

2011
01:14:40,790 --> 01:14:37,360
there as you know part of this advanced

2012
01:14:42,790 --> 01:14:40,800
party uh we had no shower facilities

2013
01:14:44,630 --> 01:14:42,800
um no no

2014
01:14:45,910 --> 01:14:44,640
bathrooms of any type

2015
01:14:48,790 --> 01:14:45,920
so uh

2016
01:14:50,709 --> 01:14:48,800
we uh i think uh two or three times that

2017
01:14:53,830 --> 01:14:50,719
week we all jumped in the trucks and we

2018
01:14:56,870 --> 01:14:53,840
went to this pond now this pond was

2019
01:14:59,669 --> 01:14:56,880
probably like full of of all kinds of

2020
01:15:01,990 --> 01:14:59,679
toxic you know stuff you could see like

2021
01:15:03,669 --> 01:15:02,000
rainbows uh you know floating on on top

2022
01:15:06,070 --> 01:15:03,679
of the water we were you know probably

2023
01:15:07,030 --> 01:15:06,080
bathing in uh diesel fuel and who knows

2024
01:15:08,470 --> 01:15:07,040
what else

2025
01:15:11,110 --> 01:15:08,480
but um

2026
01:15:13,110 --> 01:15:11,120
you know it was a bath so uh

2027
01:15:15,270 --> 01:15:13,120
you know large body of water not too far

2028
01:15:18,950 --> 01:15:15,280
from us and uh

2029
01:15:22,950 --> 01:15:18,960
in in my mind uh as i would recall uh

2030
01:15:26,550 --> 01:15:22,960
the the sighting i uh envisioned that

2031
01:15:29,270 --> 01:15:26,560
the ship may have actually risen up

2032
01:15:31,189 --> 01:15:29,280
from the pond and that scared the the

2033
01:15:33,430 --> 01:15:31,199
daylights out of me because we had been

2034
01:15:35,830 --> 01:15:33,440
bathing in there and i thought well

2035
01:15:37,510 --> 01:15:35,840
geez maybe maybe we stepped on the thing

2036
01:15:41,189 --> 01:15:37,520
while we were in the water like you know

2037
01:15:42,790 --> 01:15:41,199
um but but you know years later when um

2038
01:15:44,950 --> 01:15:42,800
i was uh

2039
01:15:47,110 --> 01:15:44,960
doing some investigation uh for

2040
01:15:50,470 --> 01:15:47,120
unidentified to to make sure that i i

2041
01:15:53,270 --> 01:15:50,480
had all the facts straight um i i really

2042
01:15:57,030 --> 01:15:53,280
took a good hard look at the um

2043
01:15:58,709 --> 01:15:57,040
at the the army base uh on google maps

2044
01:16:00,870 --> 01:15:58,719
and um

2045
01:16:04,229 --> 01:16:00,880
with the help of mike the other witness

2046
01:16:06,630 --> 01:16:04,239
and also um uh another uh soldier that

2047
01:16:09,430 --> 01:16:06,640
had been there and the same rank as me

2048
01:16:13,110 --> 01:16:09,440
at the time uh was able to pinpoint

2049
01:16:15,830 --> 01:16:13,120
where i i think our site was and it it's

2050
01:16:17,750 --> 01:16:15,840
flipped around uh the where the water

2051
01:16:21,910 --> 01:16:17,760
was was on the opposite side so the ship

2052
01:16:25,350 --> 01:16:23,110
wow

2053
01:16:26,630 --> 01:16:25,360
okay hey thank you for being on the show

2054
01:16:28,950 --> 01:16:26,640
david and i'm going to be checking out

2055
01:16:30,630 --> 01:16:28,960
your website sounds interesting all

2056
01:16:34,310 --> 01:16:30,640
right thanks rob that's his youtube

2057
01:16:36,070 --> 01:16:34,320
channel and uh it's basically youtube uh

2058
01:16:37,350 --> 01:16:36,080
slash user

2059
01:16:38,550 --> 01:16:37,360
slash

2060
01:16:41,470 --> 01:16:38,560
marceau

2061
01:16:43,830 --> 01:16:41,480
david right yeah yeah also uh

2062
01:16:46,229 --> 01:16:43,840
davidmarceau.com will point you to the

2063
01:16:48,310 --> 01:16:46,239
same youtube address okay although it

2064
01:16:49,510 --> 01:16:48,320
might give you like a like a security

2065
01:16:50,550 --> 01:16:49,520
warning but it just goes right to

2066
01:16:53,510 --> 01:16:50,560
youtube

2067
01:16:54,630 --> 01:16:53,520
yeah security warning from men in black

2068
01:16:55,990 --> 01:16:54,640
right

2069
01:16:59,750 --> 01:16:56,000
yeah

2070
01:17:01,590 --> 01:16:59,760
um so uh the the lines are open and bill

2071
01:17:02,950 --> 01:17:01,600
is waiting to take your call do remember

2072
01:17:04,950 --> 01:17:02,960
when you're sitting there and hold bill

2073
01:17:06,630 --> 01:17:04,960
will probably remind you but to uh make

2074
01:17:07,830 --> 01:17:06,640
sure you mute your the show you're

2075
01:17:09,110 --> 01:17:07,840
listening to we had a little trouble

2076
01:17:11,110 --> 01:17:09,120
with that last week so we got pretty

2077
01:17:11,830 --> 01:17:11,120
frustrated um

2078
01:17:13,830 --> 01:17:11,840
and

2079
01:17:14,790 --> 01:17:13,840
so anyway the line is open

2080
01:17:16,550 --> 01:17:14,800
and

2081
01:17:19,750 --> 01:17:16,560
oh thank you bill he just told me he's

2082
01:17:22,709 --> 01:17:19,760
reminding him this week that um so

2083
01:17:24,630 --> 01:17:22,719
now when you hear the word disclosure

2084
01:17:25,830 --> 01:17:24,640
what is did you do any blogs about that

2085
01:17:27,669 --> 01:17:25,840
and what's your thoughts about that

2086
01:17:29,110 --> 01:17:27,679
that's something that comes up a lot

2087
01:17:30,950 --> 01:17:29,120
yeah i've written a little bit about it

2088
01:17:33,750 --> 01:17:30,960
you know uh

2089
01:17:37,910 --> 01:17:33,760
until recently

2090
01:17:40,870 --> 01:17:37,920
i have always um

2091
01:17:42,390 --> 01:17:40,880
shied away from any type of government

2092
01:17:45,750 --> 01:17:42,400
conspiracy

2093
01:17:47,910 --> 01:17:45,760
uh because you know my point of

2094
01:17:48,870 --> 01:17:47,920
reference is uh

2095
01:17:50,709 --> 01:17:48,880
based

2096
01:17:51,910 --> 01:17:50,719
initially and primarily on my own

2097
01:17:53,669 --> 01:17:51,920
experience

2098
01:17:54,709 --> 01:17:53,679
what happened with me

2099
01:17:57,590 --> 01:17:54,719
was

2100
01:17:58,950 --> 01:17:57,600
nothing no kind of organized uh

2101
01:18:01,910 --> 01:17:58,960
resistance

2102
01:18:03,910 --> 01:18:01,920
when we got back to um to the the guard

2103
01:18:07,030 --> 01:18:03,920
shack where where uh

2104
01:18:08,790 --> 01:18:07,040
uh we we walked from camp to this uh uh

2105
01:18:10,470 --> 01:18:08,800
kind of collection area where where they

2106
01:18:12,950 --> 01:18:10,480
they drove us out to the

2107
01:18:15,270 --> 01:18:12,960
ammo pads we got back to the guard check

2108
01:18:17,110 --> 01:18:15,280
mike tried to report it to the um

2109
01:18:19,830 --> 01:18:17,120
non-commissioner non-commissioned

2110
01:18:21,590 --> 01:18:19,840
officer in charge the ncoic

2111
01:18:23,750 --> 01:18:21,600
and um

2112
01:18:25,510 --> 01:18:23,760
the uh the guy you know yelled at him

2113
01:18:28,709 --> 01:18:25,520
told him to get out of his shack

2114
01:18:31,110 --> 01:18:28,719
uh you know none of what we experienced

2115
01:18:33,830 --> 01:18:31,120
was any type of organized effort by the

2116
01:18:36,390 --> 01:18:33,840
government and uh

2117
01:18:39,590 --> 01:18:36,400
in in you know as i started to get more

2118
01:18:41,590 --> 01:18:39,600
involved with the ufo community uh

2119
01:18:44,390 --> 01:18:41,600
i kept seeing the same kind of thing

2120
01:18:46,950 --> 01:18:44,400
that uh it wasn't an organized

2121
01:18:48,229 --> 01:18:46,960
resistance it was individuals within the

2122
01:18:51,030 --> 01:18:48,239
government

2123
01:18:52,070 --> 01:18:51,040
who were deciding not to stick their

2124
01:18:54,550 --> 01:18:52,080
neck out

2125
01:18:57,430 --> 01:18:54,560
um or maybe they had a religious

2126
01:18:59,910 --> 01:18:57,440
conviction which uh you know uh

2127
01:19:02,229 --> 01:18:59,920
prevented them from uh wanting to

2128
01:19:03,910 --> 01:19:02,239
escalate uh you know any any kind of

2129
01:19:07,510 --> 01:19:03,920
investigations

2130
01:19:10,310 --> 01:19:07,520
so uh disclosure you know disclosure is

2131
01:19:13,189 --> 01:19:10,320
uh the government saying hey we know

2132
01:19:14,550 --> 01:19:13,199
about this uh we've known the whole time

2133
01:19:15,910 --> 01:19:14,560
and here's all the information that

2134
01:19:17,189 --> 01:19:15,920
we've been collecting and hiding from

2135
01:19:18,149 --> 01:19:17,199
you

2136
01:19:42,149 --> 01:19:18,159
i

2137
01:19:44,149 --> 01:19:42,159
um maybe maybe they don't want to get

2138
01:19:46,550 --> 01:19:44,159
ridiculed maybe

2139
01:19:47,669 --> 01:19:46,560
maybe it's religion maybe something else

2140
01:19:48,830 --> 01:19:47,679
so

2141
01:19:52,310 --> 01:19:48,840
i don't know if

2142
01:19:54,310 --> 01:19:52,320
disclosure in the sense that that people

2143
01:19:56,790 --> 01:19:54,320
generally conceive of it

2144
01:19:58,950 --> 01:19:56,800
uh is ever really going to happen

2145
01:20:01,510 --> 01:19:58,960
because i don't think that there's that

2146
01:20:04,470 --> 01:20:01,520
much that's being uh

2147
01:20:05,750 --> 01:20:04,480
hidden in an organized manner

2148
01:20:07,350 --> 01:20:05,760
not that there's stuff we don't know

2149
01:20:09,990 --> 01:20:07,360
about sure

2150
01:20:12,470 --> 01:20:10,000
there's there's you know uh um you know

2151
01:20:14,470 --> 01:20:12,480
lou will be the first one to tell you uh

2152
01:20:16,390 --> 01:20:14,480
i can't talk about it but

2153
01:20:17,669 --> 01:20:16,400
there's stuff we should know about

2154
01:20:20,550 --> 01:20:17,679
um

2155
01:20:22,390 --> 01:20:20,560
but uh uh i i just i just don't think

2156
01:20:25,830 --> 01:20:22,400
we're ever gonna get the the big d

2157
01:20:29,189 --> 01:20:25,840
disclosure uh at any point ever

2158
01:20:31,750 --> 01:20:29,199
yeah well i i agree for a number of

2159
01:20:32,470 --> 01:20:31,760
different reasons and that is um you

2160
01:20:34,310 --> 01:20:32,480
know

2161
01:20:36,229 --> 01:20:34,320
just my own philosophy that i've

2162
01:20:38,550 --> 01:20:36,239
mentioned on the show a number of times

2163
01:20:40,229 --> 01:20:38,560
i think it's possible that some part of

2164
01:20:41,350 --> 01:20:40,239
the government might know something

2165
01:20:42,149 --> 01:20:41,360
about

2166
01:20:43,350 --> 01:20:42,159
this

2167
01:20:44,229 --> 01:20:43,360
uh

2168
01:20:46,550 --> 01:20:44,239
more than

2169
01:20:48,709 --> 01:20:46,560
it's being released but i don't really

2170
01:20:50,629 --> 01:20:48,719
think they really know what it is

2171
01:20:51,910 --> 01:20:50,639
and uh it would do more harm to release

2172
01:20:55,270 --> 01:20:51,920
the fact that they don't really know

2173
01:20:58,070 --> 01:20:55,280
what it is um then to keep quiet about

2174
01:20:59,030 --> 01:20:58,080
it that's part of my thoughts another

2175
01:21:00,709 --> 01:20:59,040
one of

2176
01:21:02,149 --> 01:21:00,719
the things i have thought about over the

2177
01:21:06,229 --> 01:21:02,159
years and

2178
01:21:08,629 --> 01:21:06,239
like who would um generationally pass

2179
01:21:09,990 --> 01:21:08,639
something down in other words okay

2180
01:21:11,910 --> 01:21:10,000
there's you know information that

2181
01:21:14,550 --> 01:21:11,920
someone had and now they're off to

2182
01:21:17,110 --> 01:21:14,560
retire and you know they it does it is

2183
01:21:19,990 --> 01:21:17,120
it gone is it you know is it stored in

2184
01:21:22,790 --> 01:21:20,000
the file somewhere in area 51

2185
01:21:24,470 --> 01:21:22,800
i don't know you know um how all that

2186
01:21:26,070 --> 01:21:24,480
would even work

2187
01:21:28,950 --> 01:21:26,080
you know well you know so playing

2188
01:21:30,950 --> 01:21:28,960
devil's advocate it could be uh you know

2189
01:21:32,950 --> 01:21:30,960
just a cultural thing

2190
01:21:35,669 --> 01:21:32,960
where uh you know maybe you've heard of

2191
01:21:38,950 --> 01:21:35,679
the experiment where uh they hang a

2192
01:21:40,310 --> 01:21:38,960
banana from the ceiling and uh in a room

2193
01:21:42,310 --> 01:21:40,320
full of monkeys

2194
01:21:43,830 --> 01:21:42,320
and the step ladder that you can that

2195
01:21:45,510 --> 01:21:43,840
the monkey can climb to get the banana

2196
01:21:48,229 --> 01:21:45,520
is electrified

2197
01:21:50,310 --> 01:21:48,239
and uh any monkey that uh touches the

2198
01:21:52,390 --> 01:21:50,320
stepladder gets electrocuted and then

2199
01:21:54,550 --> 01:21:52,400
one by one they replace those monkeys

2200
01:21:56,310 --> 01:21:54,560
with new monkeys and as the new monkeys

2201
01:21:58,550 --> 01:21:56,320
come in the other monkeys tell them you

2202
01:22:01,189 --> 01:21:58,560
know don't touch the stepladder

2203
01:22:03,030 --> 01:22:01,199
and then eventually the stepladder is no

2204
01:22:04,870 --> 01:22:03,040
longer electrified

2205
01:22:07,110 --> 01:22:04,880
and all the original monkeys are no

2206
01:22:08,790 --> 01:22:07,120
longer there it's all new monkeys but

2207
01:22:10,470 --> 01:22:08,800
because they've had this culture you

2208
01:22:12,550 --> 01:22:10,480
know uh passed down

2209
01:22:15,189 --> 01:22:12,560
uh nobody wants to uh get on the

2210
01:22:17,189 --> 01:22:15,199
stepladder and and take the banana wow

2211
01:22:18,790 --> 01:22:17,199
so it could be something like that

2212
01:22:20,790 --> 01:22:18,800
happening too where there's just always

2213
01:22:22,390 --> 01:22:20,800
been this culture within whatever agency

2214
01:22:24,470 --> 01:22:22,400
collects uh some of this information

2215
01:22:25,910 --> 01:22:24,480
that says uh you know we're not we're

2216
01:22:28,229 --> 01:22:25,920
not giving it out

2217
01:22:30,229 --> 01:22:28,239
but i again i don't think it's that

2218
01:22:32,070 --> 01:22:30,239
organized i don't think that there's

2219
01:22:34,070 --> 01:22:32,080
there's a doctrine that says we have to

2220
01:22:34,950 --> 01:22:34,080
keep information from the people

2221
01:22:36,870 --> 01:22:34,960
um

2222
01:22:38,550 --> 01:22:36,880
i i think some

2223
01:22:40,229 --> 01:22:38,560
individuals are just deciding not to go

2224
01:22:42,470 --> 01:22:40,239
any further with it

2225
01:22:45,430 --> 01:22:42,480
yeah and i do when you mentioned earlier

2226
01:22:47,750 --> 01:22:45,440
religion i remember lou elizondo

2227
01:22:48,870 --> 01:22:47,760
speaking on someone's podcast where he

2228
01:22:51,830 --> 01:22:48,880
said

2229
01:22:53,590 --> 01:22:51,840
that um a superior told him that he

2230
01:22:55,110 --> 01:22:53,600
thought it was demonic i don't know if

2231
01:22:57,030 --> 01:22:55,120
you ever heard that

2232
01:22:59,430 --> 01:22:57,040
yeah he's he's mentioned uh the

2233
01:23:00,390 --> 01:22:59,440
religious opposition uh to me a couple

2234
01:23:01,990 --> 01:23:00,400
times

2235
01:23:03,910 --> 01:23:02,000
um

2236
01:23:07,110 --> 01:23:03,920
you know it's it's it's too bad and and

2237
01:23:10,229 --> 01:23:07,120
that's actually you know uh

2238
01:23:11,830 --> 01:23:10,239
the the reason why mike the the other

2239
01:23:14,470 --> 01:23:11,840
witness to my sighting

2240
01:23:15,430 --> 01:23:14,480
uh doesn't want to officially step

2241
01:23:18,550 --> 01:23:15,440
forward

2242
01:23:20,390 --> 01:23:18,560
uh and you know he he's he's authorized

2243
01:23:22,470 --> 01:23:20,400
me to use his first name but not his

2244
01:23:25,189 --> 01:23:22,480
last name he didn't want to appear on

2245
01:23:28,390 --> 01:23:25,199
camera on unidentified and and i i

2246
01:23:30,310 --> 01:23:28,400
really you know i i applaud him for

2247
01:23:32,390 --> 01:23:30,320
having the courage to

2248
01:23:33,270 --> 01:23:32,400
go as far as he did

2249
01:23:35,910 --> 01:23:33,280
uh

2250
01:23:38,390 --> 01:23:35,920
because his reason for not wanting to go

2251
01:23:40,950 --> 01:23:38,400
any further is uh that he's very

2252
01:23:41,910 --> 01:23:40,960
involved with his uh religion with his

2253
01:23:46,310 --> 01:23:41,920
church

2254
01:23:47,430 --> 01:23:46,320
um it would be considered uh by the uh

2255
01:23:49,189 --> 01:23:47,440
um

2256
01:23:51,990 --> 01:23:49,199
we'll call them the elders in in the

2257
01:23:53,270 --> 01:23:52,000
church uh to be a major distraction from

2258
01:23:56,390 --> 01:23:53,280
their mission

2259
01:23:57,750 --> 01:23:56,400
uh if he became known as the ufo guy

2260
01:23:58,629 --> 01:23:57,760
so um

2261
01:23:59,669 --> 01:23:58,639
you know

2262
01:24:01,430 --> 01:23:59,679
even though

2263
01:24:03,910 --> 01:24:01,440
he was there

2264
01:24:06,070 --> 01:24:03,920
he he had this experience

2265
01:24:08,550 --> 01:24:06,080
he knows what he saw

2266
01:24:10,550 --> 01:24:08,560
but because of

2267
01:24:12,149 --> 01:24:10,560
the community that he's in that the

2268
01:24:15,030 --> 01:24:12,159
religious community

2269
01:24:18,070 --> 01:24:15,040
he just can't you know go any further

2270
01:24:20,870 --> 01:24:18,080
with uh uh revealing who he is and and

2271
01:24:23,510 --> 01:24:20,880
and publicly talking about this

2272
01:24:26,629 --> 01:24:23,520
yeah um well maybe that will change

2273
01:24:28,870 --> 01:24:26,639
someday you know maybe he'll

2274
01:24:31,350 --> 01:24:28,880
he'll have the the courage to talk more

2275
01:24:34,790 --> 01:24:31,360
about it in his community

2276
01:24:37,350 --> 01:24:34,800
if the whole narrative changes on that

2277
01:24:40,950 --> 01:24:37,360
you know that's a possibility and

2278
01:24:44,390 --> 01:24:40,960
um you know and i'm not talking about

2279
01:24:47,189 --> 01:24:44,400
disclosure per se i'm talking about the

2280
01:24:48,870 --> 01:24:47,199
kind of movement that we are in that's

2281
01:24:50,790 --> 01:24:48,880
already been initiated

2282
01:24:52,950 --> 01:24:50,800
that um you know people are getting more

2283
01:24:55,110 --> 01:24:52,960
and more comfortable talking about it

2284
01:24:57,669 --> 01:24:55,120
but then you do go into the

2285
01:24:59,270 --> 01:24:57,679
fundamentalist

2286
01:25:02,070 --> 01:24:59,280
uh religious

2287
01:25:04,310 --> 01:25:02,080
um issues were this would really be a

2288
01:25:06,870 --> 01:25:04,320
problem to talk about

2289
01:25:08,149 --> 01:25:06,880
i think the catholic religion

2290
01:25:09,270 --> 01:25:08,159
shockingly

2291
01:25:11,189 --> 01:25:09,280
would not

2292
01:25:12,870 --> 01:25:11,199
shy away from it so much as maybe

2293
01:25:15,270 --> 01:25:12,880
perhaps some other religions i mean they

2294
01:25:17,189 --> 01:25:15,280
have sort of hinted along that i was

2295
01:25:19,030 --> 01:25:17,199
really surprised when the the current

2296
01:25:20,629 --> 01:25:19,040
pope uh came out with a statement that

2297
01:25:21,750 --> 01:25:20,639
there's probably intelligent life out

2298
01:25:23,510 --> 01:25:21,760
there somewhere

2299
01:25:25,430 --> 01:25:23,520
because that's that's

2300
01:25:27,910 --> 01:25:25,440
it was it seemed at the time to be a

2301
01:25:28,950 --> 01:25:27,920
very not catholic thing to say

2302
01:25:30,790 --> 01:25:28,960
so right

2303
01:25:32,310 --> 01:25:30,800
you know good for him and i think he

2304
01:25:33,110 --> 01:25:32,320
said something that he would baptize

2305
01:25:35,430 --> 01:25:33,120
them

2306
01:25:37,510 --> 01:25:35,440
as if they wanted to be

2307
01:25:39,590 --> 01:25:37,520
but uh but yeah i mean there's

2308
01:25:41,510 --> 01:25:39,600
there's uh more open mindedness you know

2309
01:25:43,990 --> 01:25:41,520
i mean it just it just kind of flows

2310
01:25:45,430 --> 01:25:44,000
that way the lines are open that number

2311
01:25:48,550 --> 01:25:45,440
if you can only hear us over at the

2312
01:25:50,229 --> 01:25:48,560
radio station is eight five five four

2313
01:25:51,910 --> 01:25:50,239
seven two

2314
01:25:54,229 --> 01:25:51,920
five four eight three and bill is

2315
01:25:57,510 --> 01:25:54,239
standing by and we'd love to hear from

2316
01:25:59,669 --> 01:25:57,520
you and also if you want to um if you

2317
01:26:01,510 --> 01:25:59,679
want to if you do not feel like calling

2318
01:26:03,750 --> 01:26:01,520
in and you want to pose a question in

2319
01:26:06,229 --> 01:26:03,760
the chat room please put it in all caps

2320
01:26:09,189 --> 01:26:06,239
and that way i'll catch it um and be

2321
01:26:11,110 --> 01:26:09,199
able to post that up for uh to read live

2322
01:26:11,990 --> 01:26:11,120
on the air um

2323
01:26:14,709 --> 01:26:12,000
now

2324
01:26:16,390 --> 01:26:14,719
uh what about uh you you say you're

2325
01:26:17,990 --> 01:26:16,400
you're doing all this writing a lot of

2326
01:26:19,830 --> 01:26:18,000
times people will

2327
01:26:22,629 --> 01:26:19,840
they always ask are you ever planning on

2328
01:26:24,470 --> 01:26:22,639
writing a book about this i know it's

2329
01:26:25,590 --> 01:26:24,480
just one incident but has that crossed

2330
01:26:28,550 --> 01:26:25,600
your mind

2331
01:26:29,590 --> 01:26:28,560
yeah and and uh i really

2332
01:26:31,510 --> 01:26:29,600
um

2333
01:26:33,750 --> 01:26:31,520
started to think a lot

2334
01:26:36,629 --> 01:26:33,760
um

2335
01:26:40,229 --> 01:26:36,639
more deeply about that

2336
01:26:42,550 --> 01:26:40,239
recently uh because the the memories of

2337
01:26:46,070 --> 01:26:42,560
what happened are starting to fade

2338
01:26:48,310 --> 01:26:46,080
and i i think it's important to

2339
01:26:49,350 --> 01:26:48,320
to to get something documented in

2340
01:26:51,669 --> 01:26:49,360
writing

2341
01:26:53,590 --> 01:26:51,679
uh to have an official account i i i

2342
01:26:55,270 --> 01:26:53,600
really view this as a

2343
01:26:57,669 --> 01:26:55,280
historic event

2344
01:26:59,990 --> 01:26:57,679
and um

2345
01:27:01,189 --> 01:27:00,000
you know i i didn't i didn't want to i

2346
01:27:03,030 --> 01:27:01,199
didn't want to think that for a long

2347
01:27:05,030 --> 01:27:03,040
time because you know who

2348
01:27:06,470 --> 01:27:05,040
who am i i'm i'm not you know no one's

2349
01:27:07,669 --> 01:27:06,480
special and

2350
01:27:10,709 --> 01:27:07,679
just the guy that happened to be on

2351
01:27:12,550 --> 01:27:10,719
guard duty that night but um

2352
01:27:14,950 --> 01:27:12,560
i think something historic happened and

2353
01:27:17,110 --> 01:27:14,960
i want to make sure that i document it

2354
01:27:19,750 --> 01:27:17,120
and um

2355
01:27:21,510 --> 01:27:19,760
when you know in the years when i wasn't

2356
01:27:24,149 --> 01:27:21,520
really talking about it

2357
01:27:27,669 --> 01:27:24,159
uh when it would come up

2358
01:27:29,830 --> 01:27:27,679
it was crystal clear in my mind like not

2359
01:27:31,669 --> 01:27:29,840
not only like it happened yesterday but

2360
01:27:34,950 --> 01:27:31,679
like i was back there

2361
01:27:37,990 --> 01:27:34,960
reliving it every time i told the story

2362
01:27:40,229 --> 01:27:38,000
uh and it doesn't happen anymore

2363
01:27:42,229 --> 01:27:40,239
because whatever

2364
01:27:43,750 --> 01:27:42,239
how you know however it affected me

2365
01:27:46,950 --> 01:27:43,760
whatever it did to me

2366
01:27:49,430 --> 01:27:46,960
uh i'm cured basically so

2367
01:27:51,750 --> 01:27:49,440
uh the downside of that is that the

2368
01:27:53,990 --> 01:27:51,760
memories are starting to fade so i want

2369
01:27:56,629 --> 01:27:54,000
to make sure that um that i'm able to

2370
01:27:59,030 --> 01:27:56,639
document everything not just that that

2371
01:28:01,110 --> 01:27:59,040
you know a spaceship came up and and i

2372
01:28:03,350 --> 01:28:01,120
saw it big deal that's one one little

2373
01:28:05,350 --> 01:28:03,360
thing there was so much more to it you

2374
01:28:06,870 --> 01:28:05,360
know everything that i that i uh

2375
01:28:08,390 --> 01:28:06,880
i was thinking about at the time and

2376
01:28:09,910 --> 01:28:08,400
experiencing and everything that led up

2377
01:28:13,189 --> 01:28:09,920
to it and everything that happened after

2378
01:28:16,310 --> 01:28:13,199
it and and you know how i eventually uh

2379
01:28:18,550 --> 01:28:16,320
was able to tell the story so

2380
01:28:19,990 --> 01:28:18,560
uh you know i think that there

2381
01:28:22,070 --> 01:28:20,000
i could easily write a couple hundred

2382
01:28:23,990 --> 01:28:22,080
thousand words about it uh i'm up to

2383
01:28:27,110 --> 01:28:24,000
forty thousand right now i think i'm

2384
01:28:28,870 --> 01:28:27,120
about a third of the way done and oh wow

2385
01:28:30,709 --> 01:28:28,880
it's yeah it's just pouring out of me

2386
01:28:32,629 --> 01:28:30,719
and i sit down at the keyboard at like

2387
01:28:34,550 --> 01:28:32,639
five in the morning and and i'll i'll

2388
01:28:36,390 --> 01:28:34,560
type for like two or three hours

2389
01:28:37,189 --> 01:28:36,400
and and feel like i didn't get enough

2390
01:28:39,990 --> 01:28:37,199
done

2391
01:28:42,470 --> 01:28:40,000
ah how about that well all all they say

2392
01:28:45,030 --> 01:28:42,480
all memory is a reconstruct you know we

2393
01:28:46,709 --> 01:28:45,040
whenever we are remembering something we

2394
01:28:49,189 --> 01:28:46,719
reconstruct

2395
01:28:51,669 --> 01:28:49,199
the experience and then and the

2396
01:28:52,870 --> 01:28:51,679
reconstruction we oftentimes will fill

2397
01:28:55,030 --> 01:28:52,880
in the gaps

2398
01:28:57,510 --> 01:28:55,040
with things that are comfortable to us

2399
01:28:59,990 --> 01:28:57,520
instead of what an unknown thing that

2400
01:29:02,310 --> 01:29:00,000
happened you know so it's really tricky

2401
01:29:04,870 --> 01:29:02,320
you know and and i uh

2402
01:29:08,390 --> 01:29:04,880
i have suggested on this show before

2403
01:29:10,550 --> 01:29:08,400
because only learning from um someone um

2404
01:29:13,430 --> 01:29:10,560
like class swan from sweden i said

2405
01:29:14,790 --> 01:29:13,440
switzerland by accident last time but uh

2406
01:29:17,110 --> 01:29:14,800
basically says

2407
01:29:18,870 --> 01:29:17,120
if you have an experience you just sit

2408
01:29:20,870 --> 01:29:18,880
and you draw pictures and you write it

2409
01:29:22,390 --> 01:29:20,880
immediately by yourself it doesn't

2410
01:29:25,270 --> 01:29:22,400
matter how many people you had the

2411
01:29:27,350 --> 01:29:25,280
experience with you go separately by

2412
01:29:30,070 --> 01:29:27,360
yourself and you all write down exactly

2413
01:29:31,990 --> 01:29:30,080
what you saw in great detail immediately

2414
01:29:36,229 --> 01:29:32,000
after the experience i think that is

2415
01:29:40,070 --> 01:29:38,390
out there that uh is listening that may

2416
01:29:42,629 --> 01:29:40,080
have something happen

2417
01:29:44,870 --> 01:29:42,639
and uh here's a question in chat uh this

2418
01:29:46,870 --> 01:29:44,880
has impacted your life do you think

2419
01:29:50,550 --> 01:29:46,880
that the intent

2420
01:29:53,189 --> 01:29:50,560
that was the intent of the entity

2421
01:29:56,709 --> 01:29:53,199
i don't know that they had any intent

2422
01:30:00,310 --> 01:29:56,719
at all um i think a lot of times when

2423
01:30:05,430 --> 01:30:00,320
uh we think about aliens and ufos

2424
01:30:07,189 --> 01:30:05,440
we we want to ascribe some uh you know

2425
01:30:08,950 --> 01:30:07,199
personality some

2426
01:30:11,510 --> 01:30:08,960
persona

2427
01:30:13,189 --> 01:30:11,520
uh we we we we want to

2428
01:30:15,510 --> 01:30:13,199
humanize them

2429
01:30:16,629 --> 01:30:15,520
um because that's our frame of reference

2430
01:30:17,910 --> 01:30:16,639
yeah we know

2431
01:30:19,350 --> 01:30:17,920
how we think

2432
01:30:21,669 --> 01:30:19,360
uh you know

2433
01:30:26,070 --> 01:30:21,679
that's a mistake i think we make yeah

2434
01:30:28,390 --> 01:30:26,080
yeah so i you know i i don't think that

2435
01:30:30,390 --> 01:30:28,400
we could wrap our heads around what

2436
01:30:33,110 --> 01:30:30,400
they're doing and why they're doing it

2437
01:30:36,709 --> 01:30:34,070
you know

2438
01:30:39,510 --> 01:30:36,719
there may be um

2439
01:30:41,830 --> 01:30:39,520
you know i i have written uh uh a bunch

2440
01:30:44,229 --> 01:30:41,840
of articles about how you know that the

2441
01:30:45,189 --> 01:30:44,239
zoo hypothesis is probably the closest

2442
01:30:54,870 --> 01:30:45,199
uh

2443
01:30:56,709 --> 01:30:54,880
i think you know maybe aliens are here

2444
01:30:58,390 --> 01:30:56,719
in safari and we're the safari animals

2445
01:31:00,830 --> 01:30:58,400
or we're the lions they don't want to

2446
01:31:03,189 --> 01:31:00,840
get out of the uh the range rover and uh

2447
01:31:03,990 --> 01:31:03,199
risk uh you know that we're gonna hurt

2448
01:31:04,950 --> 01:31:04,000
them

2449
01:31:07,270 --> 01:31:04,960
um

2450
01:31:08,149 --> 01:31:07,280
but uh you know otherwise you know are

2451
01:31:16,629 --> 01:31:08,159
they

2452
01:31:17,510 --> 01:31:16,639
technology with us i i i don't think

2453
01:31:20,550 --> 01:31:17,520
that

2454
01:31:22,229 --> 01:31:20,560
so

2455
01:31:23,270 --> 01:31:22,239
um

2456
01:31:24,790 --> 01:31:23,280
i agree

2457
01:31:26,950 --> 01:31:24,800
i've said that many times on the show i

2458
01:31:29,189 --> 01:31:26,960
know you you haven't watched the show um

2459
01:31:30,870 --> 01:31:29,199
but a number of times i'll say that is a

2460
01:31:31,910 --> 01:31:30,880
big mistake that we make is trying to

2461
01:31:34,229 --> 01:31:31,920
put them

2462
01:31:35,189 --> 01:31:34,239
um you know in a persona or a way of

2463
01:31:38,149 --> 01:31:35,199
thinking

2464
01:31:40,709 --> 01:31:38,159
like um you know perhaps they they

2465
01:31:43,270 --> 01:31:40,719
don't they know uh no

2466
01:31:44,470 --> 01:31:43,280
um violence you know perhaps there's a

2467
01:31:46,310 --> 01:31:44,480
lot of different things

2468
01:31:48,709 --> 01:31:46,320
but but they're not

2469
01:31:50,550 --> 01:31:48,719
they're not human whatever they are and

2470
01:31:52,950 --> 01:31:50,560
uh who knows everything has to do with

2471
01:31:56,070 --> 01:31:52,960
in you know evolution and environment

2472
01:31:58,229 --> 01:31:56,080
and you know how you're going to survive

2473
01:32:01,110 --> 01:31:58,239
uh all has a lot to do that what do with

2474
01:32:04,629 --> 01:32:01,120
that we have uh bricktop

2475
01:32:06,709 --> 01:32:04,639
yes it's bricktop from san diego you are

2476
01:32:08,629 --> 01:32:06,719
live on the air bricktop welcome to the

2477
01:32:10,149 --> 01:32:08,639
show

2478
01:32:12,149 --> 01:32:10,159
hey how you doing thanks for having me

2479
01:32:13,110 --> 01:32:12,159
on you bet you've got a question for our

2480
01:32:15,030 --> 01:32:13,120
guest

2481
01:32:17,510 --> 01:32:15,040
i'm kidding i have to say though real

2482
01:32:19,830 --> 01:32:17,520
quick it sounds like um eddie bravo is

2483
01:32:22,070 --> 01:32:19,840
answering your phones that's exactly who

2484
01:32:24,149 --> 01:32:22,080
it sounds like so and yeah eddie bravo

2485
01:32:25,910 --> 01:32:24,159
fans right there i have to just have to

2486
01:32:27,110 --> 01:32:25,920
say that but um i have uh two questions

2487
01:32:29,030 --> 01:32:27,120
real quick

2488
01:32:30,390 --> 01:32:29,040
um the first is david do you believe

2489
01:32:33,030 --> 01:32:30,400
that any of these crafts that you see in

2490
01:32:34,229 --> 01:32:33,040
the sky are man-made and second of all

2491
01:32:37,270 --> 01:32:34,239
um what do you think about mark

2492
01:32:39,430 --> 01:32:38,390
yeah i'm just gonna

2493
01:32:40,870 --> 01:32:39,440
thank you

2494
01:32:42,390 --> 01:32:40,880
okay

2495
01:32:44,790 --> 01:32:42,400
i don't i don't know who the person is

2496
01:32:46,229 --> 01:32:44,800
uh that he uh that he mentioned

2497
01:32:49,590 --> 01:32:46,239
um do you

2498
01:32:51,750 --> 01:32:49,600
i i do not know he hung up too so uh

2499
01:32:54,470 --> 01:32:51,760
mark mark mcambush

2500
01:32:56,310 --> 01:32:54,480
i guess maybe he's trying to he's trying

2501
01:32:57,910 --> 01:32:56,320
to be funny um

2502
01:33:00,229 --> 01:32:57,920
yeah it's it's not definitely not

2503
01:33:01,910 --> 01:33:00,239
man-made uh

2504
01:33:03,350 --> 01:33:01,920
and and this is something i you know i

2505
01:33:04,229 --> 01:33:03,360
thought about many times but i was

2506
01:33:06,149 --> 01:33:04,239
really

2507
01:33:08,149 --> 01:33:06,159
thinking it through today on on the uh

2508
01:33:09,990 --> 01:33:08,159
on my my riding mower out cutting the

2509
01:33:11,990 --> 01:33:10,000
grass uh you know

2510
01:33:13,669 --> 01:33:12,000
good time to think yeah yeah you know

2511
01:33:16,310 --> 01:33:13,679
it's it takes me a couple hours to

2512
01:33:18,709 --> 01:33:16,320
finish uh all the all the grass and and

2513
01:33:20,830 --> 01:33:18,719
uh so i have some time to to really

2514
01:33:23,270 --> 01:33:20,840
think things through

2515
01:33:25,270 --> 01:33:23,280
um there's no way that it could have

2516
01:33:27,350 --> 01:33:25,280
been man-made uh

2517
01:33:28,310 --> 01:33:27,360
and you you touched a little bit on this

2518
01:33:29,590 --> 01:33:28,320
earlier

2519
01:33:31,590 --> 01:33:29,600
but uh

2520
01:33:34,550 --> 01:33:31,600
um

2521
01:33:37,830 --> 01:33:34,560
if you know this is 1992 so if you think

2522
01:33:40,709 --> 01:33:37,840
about the time back then uh russia had

2523
01:33:42,470 --> 01:33:40,719
just uh bankrupted itself trying to keep

2524
01:33:45,030 --> 01:33:42,480
up with us in the cold war

2525
01:33:47,189 --> 01:33:45,040
uh they were too busy trying to figure

2526
01:33:49,750 --> 01:33:47,199
out how to feed their people to be able

2527
01:33:51,750 --> 01:33:49,760
to come up with uh hovering silent

2528
01:33:53,030 --> 01:33:51,760
hovering technology that could zip off

2529
01:33:56,229 --> 01:33:53,040
into space

2530
01:33:57,990 --> 01:33:56,239
uh you know china wasn't even on the uh

2531
01:34:00,790 --> 01:33:58,000
the radar yet they were still a third

2532
01:34:02,790 --> 01:34:00,800
world nation uh 30 years ago

2533
01:34:05,510 --> 01:34:02,800
you know they had the bomb but as far as

2534
01:34:07,350 --> 01:34:05,520
conventional weapons uh uh go

2535
01:34:09,910 --> 01:34:07,360
uh their their best hope of winning a

2536
01:34:11,350 --> 01:34:09,920
war with us was to overwhelm us with uh

2537
01:34:12,390 --> 01:34:11,360
you know four times the number of

2538
01:34:15,590 --> 01:34:12,400
soldiers

2539
01:34:17,430 --> 01:34:15,600
so um there was not a country

2540
01:34:18,950 --> 01:34:17,440
on earth uh

2541
01:34:20,629 --> 01:34:18,960
30 years ago

2542
01:34:23,110 --> 01:34:20,639
that uh

2543
01:34:26,790 --> 01:34:23,120
could have come up with this technology

2544
01:34:28,950 --> 01:34:26,800
uh if by some stroke of luck uh they had

2545
01:34:31,350 --> 01:34:28,960
whether it was us or anyone else we

2546
01:34:32,629 --> 01:34:31,360
would have seen it by now you know when

2547
01:34:35,669 --> 01:34:32,639
um

2548
01:34:37,990 --> 01:34:35,679
the the stealth uh bomber the b2 bomber

2549
01:34:39,270 --> 01:34:38,000
was first uh uh conceived that was in

2550
01:34:42,149 --> 01:34:39,280
the 70s

2551
01:34:44,229 --> 01:34:42,159
and we knew about it you know right away

2552
01:34:46,470 --> 01:34:44,239
the stealth bomber was known about for

2553
01:34:47,750 --> 01:34:46,480
for almost two decades before it finally

2554
01:34:50,310 --> 01:34:47,760
took flight

2555
01:34:53,510 --> 01:34:50,320
uh you know the uh patriot missiles as

2556
01:34:56,470 --> 01:34:53,520
soon as uh uh we went to war with saddam

2557
01:34:59,270 --> 01:34:56,480
uh we put those things in into uh uh

2558
01:35:01,910 --> 01:34:59,280
service to uh you know make a

2559
01:35:03,510 --> 01:35:01,920
a shield for for israel uh because

2560
01:35:06,070 --> 01:35:03,520
saddam was bombing israel for some

2561
01:35:08,709 --> 01:35:06,080
reason they weren't even involved um you

2562
01:35:11,910 --> 01:35:08,719
know drones we we will go and blow up a

2563
01:35:14,229 --> 01:35:11,920
wedding party in in iraq or afghanistan

2564
01:35:16,149 --> 01:35:14,239
uh with a drone that's uh you know

2565
01:35:20,070 --> 01:35:16,159
controlled uh you know hundreds of miles

2566
01:35:21,990 --> 01:35:20,080
away so uh if if we had this technology

2567
01:35:24,070 --> 01:35:22,000
30 years ago we'd have seen it on the

2568
01:35:27,270 --> 01:35:24,080
battlefield by now

2569
01:35:29,910 --> 01:35:27,280
uh if russia or china had it we'd all be

2570
01:35:30,950 --> 01:35:29,920
speaking russian or chinese it it's not

2571
01:35:33,830 --> 01:35:30,960
even

2572
01:35:37,350 --> 01:35:33,840
it's it's a joke to uh to say well maybe

2573
01:35:39,990 --> 01:35:37,360
it was man-made there's no way yeah um i

2574
01:35:42,310 --> 01:35:40,000
i totally agree with that and you know

2575
01:35:43,750 --> 01:35:42,320
but when you hear a skeptic talk about

2576
01:35:46,229 --> 01:35:43,760
it they will never talk about the

2577
01:35:48,310 --> 01:35:46,239
historic cases going back they only want

2578
01:35:50,070 --> 01:35:48,320
to talk about you know something more

2579
01:35:52,790 --> 01:35:50,080
current that will fit in the box of the

2580
01:35:54,629 --> 01:35:52,800
possible technology that's created that

2581
01:35:57,510 --> 01:35:54,639
we haven't seen out there yet

2582
01:36:00,070 --> 01:35:57,520
uh that was mark mccandlish he uh

2583
01:36:01,109 --> 01:36:00,080
asked about who is the zero point

2584
01:36:02,790 --> 01:36:01,119
energy

2585
01:36:03,830 --> 01:36:02,800
secret space

2586
01:36:06,070 --> 01:36:03,840
program

2587
01:36:08,550 --> 01:36:06,080
um type guy

2588
01:36:10,149 --> 01:36:08,560
so um i don't know if you'd want to call

2589
01:36:13,030 --> 01:36:10,159
him fringe i don't i might offend

2590
01:36:15,750 --> 01:36:13,040
someone by saying that but um

2591
01:36:18,629 --> 01:36:15,760
but anyway that's who who that was and

2592
01:36:20,070 --> 01:36:18,639
and uh and i don't know who i don't know

2593
01:36:22,629 --> 01:36:20,080
too much about him

2594
01:36:25,830 --> 01:36:22,639
so and obviously you probably don't so

2595
01:36:28,149 --> 01:36:25,840
no i've never heard the name yeah

2596
01:36:29,990 --> 01:36:28,159
oh he recently passed away dave altman

2597
01:36:31,750 --> 01:36:30,000
just told me well sorry about that mark

2598
01:36:33,430 --> 01:36:31,760
i hope i didn't offend you if you heard

2599
01:36:35,990 --> 01:36:33,440
me over the

2600
01:36:38,629 --> 01:36:36,000
waves or whatever um

2601
01:36:40,629 --> 01:36:38,639
now what about other military cases have

2602
01:36:42,310 --> 01:36:40,639
you looked into other i started to ask

2603
01:36:44,070 --> 01:36:42,320
you that and i don't recall if you ever

2604
01:36:45,750 --> 01:36:44,080
answered that totally have you looked

2605
01:36:48,310 --> 01:36:45,760
into other cases or other cases

2606
01:36:50,229 --> 01:36:48,320
fascinate you

2607
01:36:51,830 --> 01:36:50,239
i i think the um

2608
01:36:54,470 --> 01:36:51,840
the the one in england what is it right

2609
01:36:56,310 --> 01:36:54,480
rent rental rental forest yeah that that

2610
01:36:58,470 --> 01:36:56,320
was pretty compelling

2611
01:37:01,030 --> 01:36:58,480
um you know of course the the nimitz

2612
01:37:03,270 --> 01:37:01,040
incident is uh

2613
01:37:04,070 --> 01:37:03,280
and this is what i don't get you know

2614
01:37:07,109 --> 01:37:04,080
so

2615
01:37:09,590 --> 01:37:07,119
i don't think there's a better example

2616
01:37:10,390 --> 01:37:09,600
uh than the nimitz uh incident you've

2617
01:37:13,350 --> 01:37:10,400
got

2618
01:37:15,990 --> 01:37:13,360
really highly trained highly credible

2619
01:37:17,590 --> 01:37:16,000
pilots they know what they saw

2620
01:37:20,629 --> 01:37:17,600
and um

2621
01:37:22,950 --> 01:37:20,639
you got this joker um

2622
01:37:24,790 --> 01:37:22,960
oh no this isn't his name slipped my

2623
01:37:26,070 --> 01:37:24,800
mind the uh the debunker

2624
01:37:29,669 --> 01:37:26,080
um

2625
01:37:31,189 --> 01:37:29,679
which one oh my west mick west yeah nick

2626
01:37:33,189 --> 01:37:31,199
west trying to poke holes in it he's

2627
01:37:35,109 --> 01:37:33,199
like you know well you know

2628
01:37:37,270 --> 01:37:35,119
coming up with all kinds of uh wacky

2629
01:37:38,790 --> 01:37:37,280
theories about what what they saw they

2630
01:37:41,910 --> 01:37:38,800
know what they saw

2631
01:37:43,910 --> 01:37:41,920
yeah it's so totally ridiculous too

2632
01:37:46,070 --> 01:37:43,920
to say that someone like them would not

2633
01:37:49,510 --> 01:37:46,080
know what they were looking at yeah yeah

2634
01:37:51,510 --> 01:37:49,520
so so if like and and you know

2635
01:37:52,950 --> 01:37:51,520
i wasn't a fan of his to begin with but

2636
01:37:54,790 --> 01:37:52,960
when i heard that i'm like well this

2637
01:37:56,629 --> 01:37:54,800
this guy has zero credibility if he's

2638
01:37:57,590 --> 01:37:56,639
gonna try you know take down the nimitz

2639
01:37:59,350 --> 01:37:57,600
case

2640
01:38:02,070 --> 01:37:59,360
uh you can't believe anything this guy

2641
01:38:04,870 --> 01:38:02,080
says

2642
01:38:07,669 --> 01:38:04,880
but you know other military cases

2643
01:38:09,510 --> 01:38:07,679
um i i don't look that deeply into them

2644
01:38:10,629 --> 01:38:09,520
you know um

2645
01:38:12,629 --> 01:38:10,639
i i

2646
01:38:15,030 --> 01:38:12,639
i don't uh

2647
01:38:16,870 --> 01:38:15,040
i don't go out looking for for other

2648
01:38:18,870 --> 01:38:16,880
people's um

2649
01:38:21,270 --> 01:38:18,880
cases now that being said

2650
01:38:24,629 --> 01:38:21,280
uh since i have become

2651
01:38:26,629 --> 01:38:24,639
known in my you know sphere of uh

2652
01:38:28,390 --> 01:38:26,639
people uh

2653
01:38:30,149 --> 01:38:28,400
people have come to me

2654
01:38:31,510 --> 01:38:30,159
with uh you know to talk about their

2655
01:38:33,189 --> 01:38:31,520
sightings because

2656
01:38:34,470 --> 01:38:33,199
uh they can't talk about it with anyone

2657
01:38:38,629 --> 01:38:34,480
else they don't want to be thought of as

2658
01:38:41,430 --> 01:38:38,639
crazy and uh and i'll listen and and so

2659
01:38:43,109 --> 01:38:41,440
people people do uh come to me with uh

2660
01:38:45,030 --> 01:38:43,119
with some stories about some things and

2661
01:38:47,990 --> 01:38:45,040
and some of it's pretty wild i i was

2662
01:38:50,149 --> 01:38:48,000
talking to a friend of mine um this was

2663
01:38:53,990 --> 01:38:50,159
before unidentified uh we were at a

2664
01:38:55,990 --> 01:38:54,000
party and uh uh talking about about ufos

2665
01:38:57,350 --> 01:38:56,000
and he goes you know

2666
01:38:59,030 --> 01:38:57,360
my aunt

2667
01:39:00,790 --> 01:38:59,040
tells a story

2668
01:39:03,189 --> 01:39:00,800
about my uncle

2669
01:39:05,109 --> 01:39:03,199
my uncle won't talk about it

2670
01:39:08,149 --> 01:39:05,119
but when he was in

2671
01:39:09,189 --> 01:39:08,159
uh the i think he was in the air force

2672
01:39:13,030 --> 01:39:09,199
um

2673
01:39:16,550 --> 01:39:13,040
he used to work in a missile silo and uh

2674
01:39:20,470 --> 01:39:16,560
one time uh a spaceship came

2675
01:39:22,550 --> 01:39:20,480
and uh you know uh activated the warhead

2676
01:39:24,310 --> 01:39:22,560
and then deactivated it and had total

2677
01:39:26,709 --> 01:39:24,320
control of of uh

2678
01:39:28,709 --> 01:39:26,719
of the whole system i'm like well that's

2679
01:39:30,070 --> 01:39:28,719
a pretty cool story uh you should you

2680
01:39:32,229 --> 01:39:30,080
know hook me up with your aunt so i

2681
01:39:35,669 --> 01:39:32,239
could talk to her about it

2682
01:39:37,350 --> 01:39:35,679
and and it never went anywhere and then

2683
01:39:39,030 --> 01:39:37,360
can you follow i'm sorry to interrupt

2684
01:39:41,430 --> 01:39:39,040
you but can you follow up on that one

2685
01:39:43,830 --> 01:39:41,440
that's very important and there's

2686
01:39:44,950 --> 01:39:43,840
someone's been researching that very

2687
01:39:47,830 --> 01:39:44,960
very thing

2688
01:39:49,990 --> 01:39:47,840
yes so so the the weirdest part was when

2689
01:39:53,350 --> 01:39:50,000
i'm i'm watching unidentified and and

2690
01:39:55,189 --> 01:39:53,360
there's a story that's almost exactly

2691
01:39:57,030 --> 01:39:55,199
like what my friend had told me a year

2692
01:39:57,910 --> 01:39:57,040
or two earlier and i was i was blown

2693
01:39:59,830 --> 01:39:57,920
away

2694
01:40:01,590 --> 01:39:59,840
like my god they're telling the the same

2695
01:40:03,750 --> 01:40:01,600
story that i heard my friend

2696
01:40:06,870 --> 01:40:03,760
tell me that his aunt told him about his

2697
01:40:09,189 --> 01:40:06,880
uncle it was crazy yeah so there's

2698
01:40:11,830 --> 01:40:09,199
there's other witnesses that have come

2699
01:40:13,350 --> 01:40:11,840
forward uh robert salas he's been on the

2700
01:40:15,270 --> 01:40:13,360
show a number of times he was i believe

2701
01:40:17,669 --> 01:40:15,280
he was the person you're talking about

2702
01:40:20,229 --> 01:40:17,679
there uh robert hastings just does some

2703
01:40:21,990 --> 01:40:20,239
really really great work um and

2704
01:40:24,070 --> 01:40:22,000
regarding you know the connection

2705
01:40:26,550 --> 01:40:24,080
between the the nukes and

2706
01:40:27,430 --> 01:40:26,560
and uh the ufos and the shutdowns and

2707
01:40:29,669 --> 01:40:27,440
all that

2708
01:40:32,870 --> 01:40:29,679
but i mean that would be fantastic to

2709
01:40:35,350 --> 01:40:32,880
get a new witness to talk about it um

2710
01:40:37,510 --> 01:40:35,360
how i mean he must be getting on in

2711
01:40:39,669 --> 01:40:37,520
years i mean is he do you think do you

2712
01:40:42,310 --> 01:40:39,679
know anything about him at all right my

2713
01:40:45,350 --> 01:40:42,320
friend is in his uh mid-40s so i would

2714
01:40:46,470 --> 01:40:45,360
guess his uncle's probably in his 70s

2715
01:40:48,950 --> 01:40:46,480
yeah

2716
01:40:50,390 --> 01:40:48,960
that's that's as much as i know i'm

2717
01:40:51,910 --> 01:40:50,400
going to have to bug him about it i've i

2718
01:40:54,550 --> 01:40:51,920
brought it up again a few months back

2719
01:40:56,709 --> 01:40:54,560
and he didn't reply to the text so

2720
01:40:58,629 --> 01:40:56,719
i got the impression that uh he didn't

2721
01:41:01,189 --> 01:40:58,639
want to take it any further

2722
01:41:02,550 --> 01:41:01,199
well i would suggest if you can get you

2723
01:41:04,310 --> 01:41:02,560
know

2724
01:41:06,550 --> 01:41:04,320
this is a good way to open the door to

2725
01:41:08,149 --> 01:41:06,560
that is you know find the clip

2726
01:41:10,229 --> 01:41:08,159
where they're talking about it and

2727
01:41:12,229 --> 01:41:10,239
forward the clip for him to send a long

2728
01:41:15,030 --> 01:41:12,239
time i actually i actually did that i

2729
01:41:17,350 --> 01:41:15,040
said i said yeah i said to him uh this

2730
01:41:19,910 --> 01:41:17,360
reminds me of the story you told me and

2731
01:41:22,709 --> 01:41:19,920
and that's as far as it went

2732
01:41:24,550 --> 01:41:22,719
wow wow that's uh that that's a good one

2733
01:41:26,790 --> 01:41:24,560
and um so

2734
01:41:28,790 --> 01:41:26,800
that that's also great a lot of times

2735
01:41:30,390 --> 01:41:28,800
people just want to talk about their

2736
01:41:32,550 --> 01:41:30,400
sighting and that's why they're reaching

2737
01:41:34,550 --> 01:41:32,560
out to you when they're they're when

2738
01:41:36,229 --> 01:41:34,560
they're watching you um a lot of people

2739
01:41:37,510 --> 01:41:36,239
tell me that that happens quite a bit

2740
01:41:39,430 --> 01:41:37,520
and

2741
01:41:41,669 --> 01:41:39,440
you're a good resource

2742
01:41:43,990 --> 01:41:41,679
um you know maybe more people come

2743
01:41:46,390 --> 01:41:44,000
forward through you have you heard of a

2744
01:41:49,270 --> 01:41:46,400
guy named chris leto he's been on this

2745
01:41:51,510 --> 01:41:49,280
show he's a f-16 pilot

2746
01:41:53,430 --> 01:41:51,520
um he's he's out there i mentioned him

2747
01:41:54,790 --> 01:41:53,440
last week too he's doing a lot of a lot

2748
01:41:57,109 --> 01:41:54,800
of really good work

2749
01:41:58,709 --> 01:41:57,119
uh basically debunking the debunkers

2750
01:42:01,669 --> 01:41:58,719
such as mick west

2751
01:42:02,950 --> 01:42:01,679
and uh so he's he's really jumping in

2752
01:42:05,109 --> 01:42:02,960
full force

2753
01:42:07,030 --> 01:42:05,119
um a really great uh youtube channel to

2754
01:42:08,390 --> 01:42:07,040
check out as well i i actually might

2755
01:42:11,270 --> 01:42:08,400
yeah i might have seen that because i

2756
01:42:12,470 --> 01:42:11,280
did see a video of a guy who was uh

2757
01:42:14,870 --> 01:42:12,480
basically

2758
01:42:18,470 --> 01:42:14,880
uh had a rebuttal to uh

2759
01:42:20,149 --> 01:42:18,480
uh mcquest's uh uh uh

2760
01:42:22,870 --> 01:42:20,159
takedown of uh

2761
01:42:24,149 --> 01:42:22,880
of the nimitz incident and uh it was it

2762
01:42:25,430 --> 01:42:24,159
was well done

2763
01:42:28,470 --> 01:42:25,440
right right

2764
01:42:31,109 --> 01:42:28,480
and so rendelsham forced uh this is i'm

2765
01:42:33,430 --> 01:42:31,119
just going a quick little recap back for

2766
01:42:35,830 --> 01:42:33,440
people that are new a lot of people are

2767
01:42:37,910 --> 01:42:35,840
are or not but i mean i i still do get

2768
01:42:39,430 --> 01:42:37,920
emails every week from new listeners i

2769
01:42:42,229 --> 01:42:39,440
would just say the best thing to do is

2770
01:42:44,629 --> 01:42:42,239
to check that out uh just google it um

2771
01:42:46,550 --> 01:42:44,639
it's a fascinating incident happened in

2772
01:42:49,910 --> 01:42:46,560
over three days people say longer than

2773
01:42:51,350 --> 01:42:49,920
that but over three days back in 1980

2774
01:42:54,950 --> 01:42:51,360
on a uh

2775
01:42:58,709 --> 01:42:54,960
on a site that was a u.s site over in

2776
01:43:02,149 --> 01:42:58,719
england and uh fascinating case

2777
01:43:05,189 --> 01:43:02,159
um and a lot of people uh involved in

2778
01:43:07,109 --> 01:43:05,199
that uh there was a lot of controversy

2779
01:43:07,990 --> 01:43:07,119
the one thing about that particular case

2780
01:43:10,229 --> 01:43:08,000
is

2781
01:43:12,950 --> 01:43:10,239
i i call it convoluted it's very

2782
01:43:15,270 --> 01:43:12,960
convoluted you know see this person said

2783
01:43:18,149 --> 01:43:15,280
that another person said this there's

2784
01:43:20,070 --> 01:43:18,159
like infighting you don't see that in

2785
01:43:21,750 --> 01:43:20,080
all all major sightings but you do see

2786
01:43:23,669 --> 01:43:21,760
it in some of them

2787
01:43:25,189 --> 01:43:23,679
and it's too bad

2788
01:43:27,669 --> 01:43:25,199
yeah i think that's all right though

2789
01:43:30,149 --> 01:43:27,679
because uh you know everyone's always

2790
01:43:32,629 --> 01:43:30,159
gonna have a different perspective and a

2791
01:43:33,910 --> 01:43:32,639
different uh recollection of what

2792
01:43:35,189 --> 01:43:33,920
happened

2793
01:43:37,830 --> 01:43:35,199
um

2794
01:43:40,070 --> 01:43:37,840
you know i think if if everyone is

2795
01:43:41,430 --> 01:43:40,080
agreeing on on some of the the the

2796
01:43:43,510 --> 01:43:41,440
basics of it

2797
01:43:45,510 --> 01:43:43,520
uh but the details are a little

2798
01:43:48,950 --> 01:43:45,520
different um

2799
01:43:49,669 --> 01:43:48,960
you know uh that that's fine uh uh you

2800
01:43:51,910 --> 01:43:49,679
know

2801
01:43:54,550 --> 01:43:51,920
maybe they did see or experience some

2802
01:43:57,030 --> 01:43:54,560
you know slightly different things

2803
01:43:59,189 --> 01:43:57,040
yeah well you know you get a group of

2804
01:43:59,990 --> 01:43:59,199
people all experiencing this very same

2805
01:44:02,229 --> 01:44:00,000
thing

2806
01:44:03,510 --> 01:44:02,239
and they all have uh you know different

2807
01:44:04,629 --> 01:44:03,520
aspects

2808
01:44:06,390 --> 01:44:04,639
i mean look

2809
01:44:08,390 --> 01:44:06,400
at what's going on with with politics

2810
01:44:09,990 --> 01:44:08,400
these days where you have uh the left

2811
01:44:11,750 --> 01:44:10,000
and the right seeing the same exact

2812
01:44:13,510 --> 01:44:11,760
thing happening in our country and and

2813
01:44:14,870 --> 01:44:13,520
they both describe it in a completely

2814
01:44:17,430 --> 01:44:14,880
different way

2815
01:44:20,229 --> 01:44:17,440
yeah yeah i i can't even get into that

2816
01:44:23,189 --> 01:44:20,239
on this show yeah yeah we won't

2817
01:44:25,270 --> 01:44:23,199
give any any uh details but uh yeah

2818
01:44:27,750 --> 01:44:25,280
that's what's happening we see it yeah

2819
01:44:29,590 --> 01:44:27,760
that's right that's right and so let me

2820
01:44:31,750 --> 01:44:29,600
ask you this where where do you think

2821
01:44:33,510 --> 01:44:31,760
you'll go from here

2822
01:44:35,669 --> 01:44:33,520
you know you're making these uh youtube

2823
01:44:37,109 --> 01:44:35,679
videos and it's a it's an interesting

2824
01:44:39,189 --> 01:44:37,119
thing to you

2825
01:44:42,310 --> 01:44:39,199
do you think you'll maintain an interest

2826
01:44:43,109 --> 01:44:42,320
in this and explore it more

2827
01:44:44,070 --> 01:44:43,119
so

2828
01:44:45,830 --> 01:44:44,080
um

2829
01:44:48,229 --> 01:44:45,840
i don't know how much i'm gonna do with

2830
01:44:50,790 --> 01:44:48,239
youtube i just find it so tedious to do

2831
01:44:52,550 --> 01:44:50,800
video editing yeah

2832
01:44:53,990 --> 01:44:52,560
even though like when i finish something

2833
01:44:56,470 --> 01:44:54,000
i look back and i say hey that was

2834
01:44:57,350 --> 01:44:56,480
pretty good but um

2835
01:45:00,550 --> 01:44:57,360
uh

2836
01:45:02,870 --> 01:45:00,560
i enjoy writing the blog

2837
01:45:05,189 --> 01:45:02,880
you know i do want to get this uh uh

2838
01:45:07,750 --> 01:45:05,199
this book finished and even if it if it

2839
01:45:09,590 --> 01:45:07,760
doesn't sell a single copy uh you know

2840
01:45:11,990 --> 01:45:09,600
if i'm the only one that buys it uh you

2841
01:45:15,030 --> 01:45:12,000
know maybe maybe uh uh give one to my

2842
01:45:16,709 --> 01:45:15,040
mom or my wife uh for their birthdays um

2843
01:45:18,390 --> 01:45:16,719
i think it's really important to get it

2844
01:45:20,709 --> 01:45:18,400
documented so

2845
01:45:23,270 --> 01:45:20,719
um i'm gonna do that and then you know

2846
01:45:25,270 --> 01:45:23,280
once once i've finished that i'm gonna

2847
01:45:27,430 --> 01:45:25,280
really uh uh you know do some more with

2848
01:45:29,270 --> 01:45:27,440
the blog i just i just enjoy writing and

2849
01:45:32,709 --> 01:45:29,280
and uh i think about things i think

2850
01:45:34,629 --> 01:45:32,719
about uh you know um

2851
01:45:37,270 --> 01:45:34,639
aliens who they are why they're here

2852
01:45:39,350 --> 01:45:37,280
what they want what they're like and so

2853
01:45:41,669 --> 01:45:39,360
i it's it's fun to write about

2854
01:45:44,870 --> 01:45:41,679
yeah yeah it's it's very it's very

2855
01:45:47,910 --> 01:45:44,880
fascinating to to try to to speculate

2856
01:45:50,550 --> 01:45:47,920
again it's so hard not to

2857
01:45:51,590 --> 01:45:50,560
uh you know not to put them

2858
01:45:54,070 --> 01:45:51,600
in an

2859
01:45:56,390 --> 01:45:54,080
equality to us in some type of way when

2860
01:45:58,790 --> 01:45:56,400
we absolutely have no idea i'd like to

2861
01:46:00,550 --> 01:45:58,800
think that they're compassionate that

2862
01:46:02,550 --> 01:46:00,560
would that would make me feel a little

2863
01:46:05,109 --> 01:46:02,560
safer

2864
01:46:06,070 --> 01:46:05,119
you know uh there's obviously you don't

2865
01:46:08,229 --> 01:46:06,080
hear

2866
01:46:10,709 --> 01:46:08,239
uh you know there's the whole abduction

2867
01:46:13,590 --> 01:46:10,719
side of it but you don't hear

2868
01:46:16,470 --> 01:46:13,600
a lot about um you know bad

2869
01:46:19,030 --> 01:46:16,480
experiences for the most part you know

2870
01:46:20,470 --> 01:46:19,040
you do you hear about some things but

2871
01:46:21,350 --> 01:46:20,480
you know you wonder

2872
01:46:23,750 --> 01:46:21,360
um

2873
01:46:25,830 --> 01:46:23,760
you're not hearing about like

2874
01:46:27,030 --> 01:46:25,840
uh they're not blowing us up as what i'm

2875
01:46:28,950 --> 01:46:27,040
getting at

2876
01:46:31,189 --> 01:46:28,960
yeah and and i i wrote an article about

2877
01:46:33,669 --> 01:46:31,199
that too uh what made me think of it was

2878
01:46:34,870 --> 01:46:33,679
when the uh the cathedral in uh paris

2879
01:46:36,709 --> 01:46:34,880
caught on fire

2880
01:46:38,470 --> 01:46:36,719
uh yeah terrible

2881
01:46:40,950 --> 01:46:38,480
it uh

2882
01:46:43,430 --> 01:46:40,960
it made me think that uh aliens could

2883
01:46:45,109 --> 01:46:43,440
come down here and destroy whatever they

2884
01:46:46,629 --> 01:46:45,119
want if they can get

2885
01:46:47,910 --> 01:46:46,639
yeah i always say if they can get from

2886
01:46:51,109 --> 01:46:47,920
there to here

2887
01:46:55,030 --> 01:46:51,119
wherever there is yeah uh they can do x

2888
01:46:56,470 --> 01:46:55,040
uh you know what whatever x is uh so

2889
01:46:57,669 --> 01:46:56,480
you know if they wanted to destroy us

2890
01:46:59,990 --> 01:46:57,679
they could have done that a long time

2891
01:47:02,470 --> 01:47:00,000
ago they uh

2892
01:47:04,709 --> 01:47:02,480
yeah they they've got uh

2893
01:47:06,629 --> 01:47:04,719
technology we could never imagine

2894
01:47:08,229 --> 01:47:06,639
and and i think that we we would be

2895
01:47:11,270 --> 01:47:08,239
destroyed in a heartbeat if they chose

2896
01:47:13,270 --> 01:47:11,280
to they don't want to why i don't know

2897
01:47:15,669 --> 01:47:13,280
um you know maybe they have some kind of

2898
01:47:17,830 --> 01:47:15,679
prime directive that uh you know they

2899
01:47:18,870 --> 01:47:17,840
they uh they can't interfere with us

2900
01:47:20,629 --> 01:47:18,880
um

2901
01:47:23,669 --> 01:47:20,639
maybe it's just not worth their time you

2902
01:47:25,910 --> 01:47:23,679
know and if uh if you think about

2903
01:47:27,109 --> 01:47:25,920
uh uh you know

2904
01:47:29,109 --> 01:47:27,119
ant mounds

2905
01:47:31,030 --> 01:47:29,119
you know i'm sure when we were kids we

2906
01:47:33,270 --> 01:47:31,040
we've all uh walked up to an ant mound

2907
01:47:34,830 --> 01:47:33,280
and and uh you know stepped on it for no

2908
01:47:37,430 --> 01:47:34,840
reason

2909
01:47:40,390 --> 01:47:37,440
um ants weren't bothering us

2910
01:47:41,910 --> 01:47:40,400
yeah uh we just decided to destroy their

2911
01:47:43,990 --> 01:47:41,920
uh their home

2912
01:47:45,430 --> 01:47:44,000
uh and then as you grow older and you

2913
01:47:47,990 --> 01:47:45,440
start to think about it and even though

2914
01:47:49,990 --> 01:47:48,000
they're you know maybe in insignificant

2915
01:47:51,590 --> 01:47:50,000
insects they work pretty hard on that

2916
01:47:54,550 --> 01:47:51,600
thing we should leave them alone and not

2917
01:47:57,350 --> 01:47:54,560
not destroy their uh their mound so you

2918
01:47:59,910 --> 01:47:57,360
know maybe to aliens we're like ants um

2919
01:48:01,669 --> 01:47:59,920
they could crush us if they want to

2920
01:48:04,070 --> 01:48:01,679
they they don't feel like it

2921
01:48:06,229 --> 01:48:04,080
yeah so a lot of people use that analogy

2922
01:48:08,310 --> 01:48:06,239
too like that's why you know we're not

2923
01:48:10,950 --> 01:48:08,320
being communicated with because our

2924
01:48:13,669 --> 01:48:10,960
intelligence is on a level where we're

2925
01:48:16,470 --> 01:48:13,679
the we we are the ant and they're and

2926
01:48:17,910 --> 01:48:16,480
they're us they're that far above us

2927
01:48:20,390 --> 01:48:17,920
people have

2928
01:48:22,629 --> 01:48:20,400
you know as bizarre as it sounds people

2929
01:48:24,870 --> 01:48:22,639
have a number of people have said that

2930
01:48:27,189 --> 01:48:24,880
they've had you know like a telepathy

2931
01:48:28,950 --> 01:48:27,199
messages and things like that and

2932
01:48:30,830 --> 01:48:28,960
um a lot of it has to do with taking

2933
01:48:33,430 --> 01:48:30,840
care of the earth which is pretty

2934
01:48:35,030 --> 01:48:33,440
interesting uh for many many you know

2935
01:48:37,030 --> 01:48:35,040
for decades

2936
01:48:39,669 --> 01:48:37,040
a question does david think we'll see

2937
01:48:42,149 --> 01:48:39,679
more uap videos released to keep the

2938
01:48:44,709 --> 01:48:42,159
public's interest and support

2939
01:48:47,830 --> 01:48:44,719
uh for funding possibly

2940
01:48:49,510 --> 01:48:47,840
uh for funding who

2941
01:48:52,070 --> 01:48:49,520
yeah i mean the only one i can think for

2942
01:48:53,030 --> 01:48:52,080
funding is like for instance avi loeb is

2943
01:48:58,629 --> 01:48:53,040
as

2944
01:49:00,149 --> 01:48:58,639
that uh galileo fund but well let's just

2945
01:49:02,470 --> 01:49:00,159
put it this way do you think there'll be

2946
01:49:04,229 --> 01:49:02,480
more uip videos released

2947
01:49:08,470 --> 01:49:04,239
there are more out there

2948
01:49:15,910 --> 01:49:13,109
what i am told is that we need to

2949
01:49:18,149 --> 01:49:15,920
file the right foia requests

2950
01:49:20,149 --> 01:49:18,159
uh we need to know how to file those and

2951
01:49:23,430 --> 01:49:20,159
and what we're looking for but

2952
01:49:25,189 --> 01:49:23,440
it's out there uh it's it's uh someone's

2953
01:49:27,270 --> 01:49:25,199
got it we just need to figure out how to

2954
01:49:29,830 --> 01:49:27,280
get it

2955
01:49:31,990 --> 01:49:29,840
yeah um now i mentioned on this show

2956
01:49:34,229 --> 01:49:32,000
because it was another podcast that

2957
01:49:36,870 --> 01:49:34,239
uh lou was on

2958
01:49:39,350 --> 01:49:36,880
uh he mentioned that there's a 23-minute

2959
01:49:43,030 --> 01:49:39,360
video that he expects to be released

2960
01:49:45,510 --> 01:49:43,040
that has multiple uaps in it and uh

2961
01:49:47,270 --> 01:49:45,520
it would be like a game changer i did

2962
01:49:50,149 --> 01:49:47,280
connect to him to ask

2963
01:49:52,470 --> 01:49:50,159
for details i spoke to his wife

2964
01:49:55,430 --> 01:49:52,480
and uh she said that he is not at

2965
01:49:56,790 --> 01:49:55,440
liberty to say whether or not that's

2966
01:49:59,189 --> 01:49:56,800
going to be released i know it sounds

2967
01:50:01,189 --> 01:49:59,199
like a teaser he doesn't intentionally

2968
01:50:03,350 --> 01:50:01,199
do anything like that uh to my

2969
01:50:07,430 --> 01:50:03,360
experience usually when he says we can

2970
01:50:11,189 --> 01:50:09,270
yeah and he's

2971
01:50:12,870 --> 01:50:11,199
there's a lot that he's seen

2972
01:50:15,270 --> 01:50:12,880
that he just can't

2973
01:50:17,750 --> 01:50:15,280
talk about with us and i think this is

2974
01:50:19,430 --> 01:50:17,760
like the the breadcrumbs that are

2975
01:50:22,229 --> 01:50:19,440
that are being dropped out there for us

2976
01:50:24,870 --> 01:50:22,239
that we need to uh uh be able to to

2977
01:50:27,990 --> 01:50:24,880
follow and and um come to the right

2978
01:50:29,830 --> 01:50:28,000
conclusions on our own and and and uh go

2979
01:50:31,430 --> 01:50:29,840
out and look for so

2980
01:50:33,830 --> 01:50:31,440
yeah um

2981
01:50:36,310 --> 01:50:33,840
you know back to the disclosure uh

2982
01:50:39,189 --> 01:50:36,320
question and uh you know any any kind of

2983
01:50:41,589 --> 01:50:39,199
uh conspiracies um

2984
01:50:43,510 --> 01:50:41,599
i'm more prone to

2985
01:50:45,510 --> 01:50:43,520
believing that there's

2986
01:50:46,709 --> 01:50:45,520
information that's being withheld uh

2987
01:50:48,950 --> 01:50:46,719
today

2988
01:50:51,109 --> 01:50:48,960
than i than i would have been years ago

2989
01:50:53,589 --> 01:50:51,119
when when

2990
01:50:56,390 --> 01:50:53,599
i i thought my my case was a lot more

2991
01:50:58,870 --> 01:50:56,400
isolated um i still don't think it's as

2992
01:51:00,709 --> 01:50:58,880
organized as a lot of people

2993
01:51:02,310 --> 01:51:00,719
you know would think it is but there's

2994
01:51:04,229 --> 01:51:02,320
definitely some stuff

2995
01:51:06,390 --> 01:51:04,239
that we should be privy to that we're

2996
01:51:08,070 --> 01:51:06,400
not and we we just need to figure out

2997
01:51:10,470 --> 01:51:08,080
how to get it

2998
01:51:12,550 --> 01:51:10,480
anyway it's been a real pleasure to be

2999
01:51:13,430 --> 01:51:12,560
on with you thank you so much and good

3000
01:51:16,390 --> 01:51:13,440
luck

3001
01:51:19,669 --> 01:51:16,400
that goes well

3002
01:51:23,270 --> 01:51:19,679
and uh please do let me know if you post

3003
01:51:25,910 --> 01:51:23,280
that uh video of the woman who

3004
01:51:27,430 --> 01:51:25,920
uh said that she saw a being on a craft

3005
01:51:28,550 --> 01:51:27,440
i really am very interested in that

3006
01:51:30,390 --> 01:51:28,560
interview

3007
01:51:33,270 --> 01:51:30,400
all right yeah i'll uh i'll definitely

3008
01:51:35,350 --> 01:51:33,280
uh shoot you a message uh when when uh

3009
01:51:37,830 --> 01:51:35,360
when that's ready to go prime time all

3010
01:51:39,830 --> 01:51:37,840
right excellent all right and remember

3011
01:51:41,750 --> 01:51:39,840
uh to check out david's uh youtube

3012
01:51:43,750 --> 01:51:41,760
channel thank you so much david you take

3013
01:51:46,390 --> 01:51:43,760
thanks martin all right and thanks for

3014
01:51:48,390 --> 01:51:46,400
coming forward with this thank you

3015
01:51:50,950 --> 01:51:48,400
have a good one

3016
01:51:53,350 --> 01:51:50,960
all right everyone so uh remember to

3017
01:51:56,149 --> 01:51:53,360
check us out next week it should be a

3018
01:51:57,270 --> 01:51:56,159
fantastic show we have the icons uh jan

3019
01:52:00,070 --> 01:51:57,280
aldrich

3020
01:52:02,390 --> 01:52:00,080
and uh barry greenwald and dave marlar

3021
01:52:04,709 --> 01:52:02,400
all from uh new mexico

3022
01:52:06,790 --> 01:52:04,719
where the ufo archives are so we'll see

3023
01:52:08,310 --> 01:52:06,800
you here next week

3024
01:52:11,109 --> 01:52:08,320
thanks for watching

3025
01:52:12,120 --> 01:52:11,119
and remember to keep your eyes to the

3026
01:52:22,580 --> 01:52:12,130
sky